12 Replies Latest reply: Feb 11, 2012 5:52 PM by dave dale
martinfromdenhaag Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

After my 120GB Classic iPod died, I purchased a new 160GB Classic last week. Now I can't seem to get rid of the Genius playlist which appears at the top of my normal playlists on my new iPod. I don't use Genius and have it disabled in iTunes (via iTunes > Prefs > General > uncheck Genius AND Store > Turn off Genius). I don't understand why it appears in my new iPod. It never did on my old one. It is a bit of an annoyance because I used to click right through to my first playlist to play the music I like, and now I have to scroll 1 down, which is not always easy for me because I have a small handicap.

 

old situation:

click music > click playlists > click play = first playlist starts playing

 

new situation

click music > click playlists > Scroll 1 down (which is a hassle) > click play = first playlist starts playing

 

I hope there is a way to remove Genius from my playlists in my iPod but I can't see how. If it is not possible it seems to me that this is an issue that needs to be fixed. Maybe a software update can give a solution.

 

Apple, please consider this.

 

Thanks,

Martin


iPod classic, Mac OS X (10.5.8)
  • turingtest2 Level 9 Level 9 (56,480 points)

    I suspect you can't get rid of it... To use a well worn phrase, "It's not a fault, it's a feature!"

     

    I don't have a new gen. classic to hand for testing, but if it is controllable anywhere, then it will be in the classic's settings menus. Just explore all the available options.

     

    tt2

  • nathan0x Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I also don't want the "Genius" item to be at the top of my "Playlists", since it forces me to scroll down one item to get to a real Playlist item.

     

    I'm running iTunes 10.3.1.55 on Windows XP 32bit with a 160GB iPod Classic running Software Version 2.0.4.

     

    Is there a revision of iTunes and/or the iPod Software that would allow me to remove the "Genius" item at the top of my "Playlists"?  I would gladly reinstall the software to do so.

  • turingtest2 Level 9 Level 9 (56,480 points)

    No. You have the latest builds.

     

    tt2

  • Riddles Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I wanted to add on that I also find this genius icon very annoying.  I am a former mixtape fiend.  I now channel that energy into playlists.  I put little dots like this "•" in front of my current playlists so they show up at the top of the playlist titles in itunes (ahead of the "A"s).  Not only do those dots now get dropped to the very bottom of the list with this new 160gb classic ipod, but we now have to navigate past the the completely unused (in my case) atomic icon of the genius playlist.  How can apple just assume that:  oh, I'm sure the entire general public is more interested in listening to apple's genius playlist than creating their own.  How can the genius icon take such top priority like that?

     

    Just let me click that genius icon on and off, please Apple!  As the OP said, it used to be so nice to just click, click, click and play the 1st song of the 1st playlist.

     

    Mind you, now that my whole organizational system is screwed with my use of the "•"s, I'm experiencing the classic case of "wow, look at this shiny new fun thing" only to turn it on, play with it and think "****, I miss my old not so shiny thing".  Man, I hate when improvements in technology throw up little obstacles to one's old tech flow.

     

     

    Any way to revert to old software on the ipod?

  • Jon Milan Level 1 Level 1 (145 points)

    I'll pile on here.   Genius Mixes is turned off in the Settings but the Genius items still appears...   Why have the Setting if it doesn't turn off Genius?

     

    Very annoying.

  • turingtest2 Level 9 Level 9 (56,480 points)

    Genius Mixes are generated from random selections of your library.

     

    The Genius Playlist lets you select a specific song to be used as the basis for selecting "similar" songs that are supposed to play well together.

     

    If you don't want to use the feature, don't use it. Anything as complicated as an iPod is bound to have at least one feature you don't need or doesn't work the way you would want it to. Personally I'd fix grouping on Album Artist or the behavior of iTunes U before worrying about an item I don't need in the menus.

     

    tt2

  • martinfromdenhaag Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I think you are missing the point here. Different people use the iPod in different ways. Some people, like me, use the playlists a lot. The genius icon is in the way, because it is the first item in the list and I have to navigate away from it continuously. That is an extra unneeded effort. It is therefore an annoyance. It's not only an unwanted feature. No one is complaining about that.

  • turingtest2 Level 9 Level 9 (56,480 points)

    No, I understand, but in the great scheme of things I don't think that the annoyance for you and the handful of other people it annoys is sufficent reason for Apple to revist the firmware to enable you to have one less item in your playlists menu. The question "How can I remove Genius from my iPod playlist menu?" is a fine question. However since we seem to have established that you can't, the only option is to live with it as it is. You can also drop a line to iPod Feedback asking for an extra menu item option to hide Genius completely but, given the product line is at the end of its life cycle, I doubt there is any effort being put into further firmware revisions.

     

    tt2

  • Jon Milan Level 1 Level 1 (145 points)

    turingtest2 wrote:

     

    Genius Mixes are generated from random selections of your library.

     

    The Genius Playlist lets you select a specific song to be used as the basis for selecting "similar" songs that are supposed to play well together.

     

    If you don't want to use the feature, don't use it. Anything as complicated as an iPod is bound to have at least one feature you don't need or doesn't work the way you would want it to. Personally I'd fix grouping on Album Artist or the behavior of iTunes U before worrying about an item I don't need in the menus.

     

    tt2

    I know darn well what Genius Mixes are, and I've chosen to turn them off because I don't like the concept or in this specific case the execution.  There are plenty of other features in the iPod I don't use, but none of them get in the way.

     

    Personally, this is my 9th or 10th iPod purchase, going all the way back to a gen2 (before the iTunes store when I had to rip my 1,000 CDs to have any music in iTunes) that saw three battery replacements (yes, I've been inside the case).  Five of the iPods before this one are still working.   I know how to use iTunes and the iPods.

     

    The issue here is simply that the setting to turn off Genius Mixes does not turn off Genius.   It still appears in the Playlist queue -- and most annoyingly in the first Playlist slot.  Genius is turned off on all my iTunes instances, and all my iPods.

     

    When you turn off a feature, the feature should be turned off.   If that isn't the result, that is a bug.  Quite simple.

  • turingtest2 Level 9 Level 9 (56,480 points)

    Ah, but there are two features, sharing part of a name, only one of which has a control to turn it off.

     

    If you think it is a bug rather than a design decision then submit feedback to that effect or get yourself a free Apple Developer Connection account and use their Bug Reporter tool.

     

    I'm all with for you having the choice to do things your way if at all possible. If we got a vote, I'd vote to add back options that have been removed from the iTunes application over time and add some new ones, I'd vote for proper two-way syncing, grouping on album artists and a whole lot more besides. But we don't get a vote. If you really can't work around the problem then living with it is as good as it gets.

     

    Anyway, enjoy the music, that's the point after all...

     

    tt2

  • Jon Milan Level 1 Level 1 (145 points)

    When Genius is turned of in the hosting iTunes Library, turned off in the iTunes account, and Genius Mixes (menu items) are turned off on the iPod ... the Genius item in the Playlist simply does not work.  Clearly their Use Case Analysis overlooked this scenario.   Most notably atypical of Apple's thorough designs.

     

    I've already noted this with Apple and logged the "bug."  (Having been with ADC for about 10 years).  As this is the first 6gen "classic" I've owned (they finally put out an iPod that can hold all my music!) my hope was there was something simple I overlooked.

     

    Thanks for taking your time.

    Jon

  • dave dale Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    how to remove genius