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Complicated wifi networking?

I am just to move to a new house. Unfortunately there is no telephone line and will not be for another 4-5 weeks.

A neighbor that has internet are kind enough to let me connect to he's wifi during this time. But there are some problems that I'm not sure how or if they can be solved.

1, I need and have a USB Adapter 6DBI Antenna that enables me to pick up the neighbors signal.

2. But still the booster with antenna needs to be at a exact point in the house.

3. I have an old Powerbook G4 with OS X 10.5.8 that I was thinking to use with the USB antenna.

So what I'm trying to find out how (and if) I could then connect my Linksys router to the PB so I could use my Macbook Pro and other stuff from the router? I know I should be able to configure the PB as a router, but then with few ports and not as good signal as my router.

(Sorry that I can not explain my self shorter)

Thanks!

Macbook Pro 2.4GHz, 3Gb RAM 500Gb HD, Mac OS X (10.6.6), Powerbook G4 Alu 1.5 Ghz and G4 Quicksilver 867MHz

Posted on May 27, 2011 12:14 PM

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Ralph-Johns-UK

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Posted on May 27, 2011 3:01 PM

Hi,

You would normally do two computers like this.

Set the First to use Wifi and set that up so it has Internet Connection.

Then plug in an Ethernet Cable between two Macs

Open System Preferences > Sharing and turn On Internet Sharing and set the out put to be Ethernet. (and the Input (From) the Wifi card

In System Preferences > Network the Ethernet connection would then normally show a Self Assigned IP.

I see no reason why the Ethernet connection cannot be given an Address via DHCP from the router.

(I have not ever tried it this far removed from the direct connection)

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BobHarris

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Jun 2, 2011 1:13 PM in response to Mats Jidaker

bootpd is a process. I started up Internet Sharing, then used Activity Monitor to see what processes were running as children processes to Internet Sharing, and bootpd was one of them. I then did some Google searches on bootpd and Mac OS X Internet Sharing. That is the extent of my knowledge about bootpd.

It think is is fair to say that if both Dreambox and Linksys are not getting 192.168.2.n IP addresses, then it is a problem on the Mac. Exactly what the problem is, is now moving outside my zone limited knowledge.

Have you tried this with BOTH the MacBook Pro as the Mac using the USB antenna AND the Powerbook G4 using the USB Antenna? Maybe it is something on just one of the Macs.

I know that in my testing I was able to get a valid IP address from my MacBook via Internet Sharing via Airport to my iPod Touch, and then my iPod Touch was able to surf the web. So I know it can work. I've also used Internet Sharing in other situations (not often, but I have used it and it has worked for me). That is about all I can confirm for now.

Mats Jidaker Author

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Jun 2, 2011 2:55 PM in response to BobHarris

Ok now I understand the self-assihned IP thing. But I believe this will be my last try, and last post as I am taking up your time, and the whole thing seems very complicated.

What I did as my last try was to change from my Macbook Pro to my PowerBook again, just to see if that would make any difference.

I tried to connect the Linksys according to your description, and I also tried to connect my Dreambox to the PowerBook. I get the same results as before. None of them want to "talk" via the Ethernet sharing, and the Linksys nor the Dreambox get any IP address. Here is some screenshots when I connected the Linksys to the Powerbook.

Sharing:

Powerbook Ethernet:

The USB adapter antenna:

No screenshots fron the Linksys is necessary because it's nothing there.

But thank you again for all your help and efforts!

Mats Jidaker Author

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Jun 4, 2011 6:06 AM in response to Mats Jidaker

PROBLEM SOLVED!

The header "Complicated wifi networking?" could now be changed to "Very simple wifi networking" The problem was the Linksys.

Today I got my old D-link DI-624 back. And connected the Ethernet as explained so many times to me (don't touch anything). And sure, no problems. Everything is working fine now.

Once again and finally. Thanks to you guys who spend all this time and effort to help me!

Over and out.

Jun 4, 2011 12:03 PM in response to Mats Jidaker

Glad to hear.

Have been following this via the Subscription Emails.

8:03 PM Saturday; June 4, 2011

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BobHarris

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Jun 4, 2011 12:16 PM in response to Mats Jidaker

I am delighted! 😁

There were times I was starting to question my own sanity. 😕 😝

Good luck.

Jun 4, 2011 12:36 PM in response to BobHarris

Bob,

Level 5 and 7,385 points and only this one thead has you questioning your sanity ? 😉

This thread reminds me of so many in the iChat forums Communities where I think I have explained things as clearly as possible and the poster seems to be feeding back that they are following the instructions that you end up wondering if you missed something.

From what I read you covered all bases including taking the Linksys out fo the set up and even suggested returning it to Factory settings.

Sterling job.

8:36 PM Saturday; June 4, 2011

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Mats Jidaker Author

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Jun 20, 2011 11:02 AM in response to Mats Jidaker

And this story did not have a happy ending (yet). As we all know I had a problem with my Linksys router to pick up an IP address from the Mac with Internet Sharing on.

After a long long discussion and help from you guys, I tried my old D-Link, and hey, it just worked. Except for one thing. The reason why I stoped using the D-Link was because it had other problems, like dropping the connection all the time.

Today I went and bought another cheap router. A TP-Link Model No. TL-WR741N / TL-WR741ND. Now when I plug it in, it also refuses to pick up any IP address from the Mac.

It has a function "Detect" after the IP settings where you chose Dynamic, static etc. When I press detect it just say "Static IP". (169.254.202.173) I tried to put the self assigned static IP from the Mac, But still no go.

Whats up with this routers? There must be a difference in them with the presets or security that causes different routers to act different.

By the way. the TP router also have a option "Get IP with Unicast DHCP (It is usually not required.)" as I tried.

Jun 20, 2011 2:59 PM in response to Mats Jidaker

Hi,

Seeing how close you must now be to the new phone line I would have thought that persevering with the D-Link was the simplest solution.

10:59 PM Monday; June 20, 2011

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Mats Jidaker Author

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Jun 20, 2011 4:24 PM in response to Ralph-Johns-UK

I wish. But this is Cyprus so I guess one more Month is to expect before I get the line, or even longer. And in a way I am a bit obsessed now with making this work as I spent so much time on it. Just to understand and learn.

Tomorrow I will go and get a cross wire Ethernet cable, and see if that's what my router needs? I'm sure there is a solution and that bathers me 🙂

BobHarris

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Jun 20, 2011 5:36 PM in response to Mats Jidaker

Have you checked to see if there are any Firmware updates for your different router devices (Linksys, D-Link, TP-Link).

Sometimes firmware updates fix various issues.

Jun 21, 2011 11:07 AM in response to Mats Jidaker

Humm,

Cyprus.

Not that it is a direct influence on what you are trying to do now but some of the ISPs out there seem to have very poor internet speeds.

It has been a while since I had any contact with anyone from Cyprus via iChat.

But last time I did the user had Internet speeds that were too low for Video in iChat.

I ma pretty sure this was not just a Turkish/Greek split thing but the services available at one end of the island.

7:07 PM Tuesday; June 21, 2011

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Mats Jidaker Author

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Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM in response to Ralph-Johns-UK

Well the speed is not very good yet, but getting faster and better as there is competition here now. Up to 24Mb you can get in most places now (ADSL 2+). But the prices are still very high. €75 for 24Mb internet and a landline / Month.

I have the latest firmware on the TP Link, but I will start calling support and other network people to find out whats wrong. I have learned that there is so many technologies between the routers, so it can be many things with the settings.

Jun 21, 2011 12:52 PM in response to Mats Jidaker

Hi,

That is certainly a lot better than what it was.

Back in the iChat 3 days (when everyone's speeds were lower) I had one person who could not get a 128kbps Upload consistently. (you need At least 100kbps at your end as an Upload for Video chats - you always lose some to maintaining the connection of about 20% in some cases, leaving just 104kbps - borderline)

It is more to do with the fact that the tests take about 15kbps to run and the rest is the Overhead but amounts to 20% at around the 100 to 150kbps mark.

As the D-Link shows the most promise I would look at their Site for Firmware updates.

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mailking

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Aug 25, 2011 5:56 AM in response to BobHarris

Hello guys,

I am having a same situation [minus the linksys] as I am trying to share the signal my BlackBooks is getting over the Ethernet to my PowerBook. Then I read something strange here, that says this:

In order to share your internet connection from your computer then your computer must have a direct connection to your ISP. If there is a hardware router between you and the connection to the modem, then you cannot share your connection to another computer. However, the other computer can be connected to one of the LAN ports on the router using an Ethernet cable. If the router doesn't have any extra LAN ports then you can add a multi-port switch to expand available LAN ports.

If this is true than you wont be able to connect the 3th or 4th in line? Correct?

Adventurous greetings,

Coen

BobHarris

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Aug 25, 2011 6:15 AM in response to mailking

First, you should really start your own post, so you have control over giving out "Helpful" and "Answered" points and can mark the problem solved.

You should give your exact network setup. Existing router, wifi devices, other computers, and everything is currently configured, along with make and model. Makes it easier to give suggested solutions.

In theory you should be able to use Mac OS X Internet Sharing, but one side has to be Airport and the other side has to be ethernet (could be Firewire, but very few people actually try to use firewire networking).

Having multiple NAT routers between you and the internet should not interfere with normal web surfing or email activities. On-line Gaming may or may not have issues, and if you expect to connect to the Powerbook remotely multiple NAT routers can be a problem getting through depending on the methods for remote access used.

Are you actually experiencing problems? What are they?

Complicated wifi networking?