How to upgrade to Lion without Snow Leopard

Apparently BDaqua thinks you can install an OS without an OS disc just simply by formating the HDD or SSD drive.

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Absolutely no idea why you think I said it could be done without an Install Disc???

"And you can't really Install 10.6.x needed to install 10.7.x without a Disc..."

Hopefully I edited my last post in time that you'll never see it, it's plain you do not want help, just to be flippant. 😟

I do know how to do it, but you just don't want to know, it appears you've decided that you already know.

jpcwa wrote:

Apparently BDaqua thinks you can install an OS without an OS disc just simply by formating the HDD or SSD drive.

You have completely misread. No one in this thread has said that you will not need a physical installation disk for a completely blank drive, or to upgrade to Mac OS X 10.6 on any system. Mac OS X 10.7 Lion will, at least as of the information Apple has provided today, not be available on a disk except perhaps with a new computer. Lion will be available only via the Mac App Store which requires Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard to access. So if you have a computer with a blank drive, be that drive a hard drive or SSD, or you have a system with Mac OS X 10.5 or earlier, you will need Snow Leopard on a DVD or other installation medium. And that's exactly what BDAqua said.

Yeah but thats the problem. That was my original question. How will you install the OS if there is no cd or dvd disc? If I upgrade the hard drive to an ssd that I do not get from apple I am stuck since the OS is only downloadable.

And the question was already answered, several times now. You will need a physical copy of the Snow Leopard installer and will need to install that on the SSD before you can obtain and install Lion.

jpcwa wrote:

Apparently BDaqua thinks you can install an OS without an OS disc just simply by formating the HDD or SSD drive.

I'm not seeing that assertion, why don't you quote it in your next reply.

There are 2 T's in formatting,

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You are the one who misreading and missunderstanding. I said "without a disc" so obviously I was NOT refering to macbook pros 2011s, which is what you keep refering back too in your missrepresentation of my question!!!!!!!!!

I was refering to future macbook pros (eg. macbook pro 2012, 2013,2014, etc.) that WILL NOT, as acknowledged by Apple, come with an OS x disc.

And NO! You did not nor did anyone else tell us how you can install Mac OS x on a macbook pro when a hard drive upgrade has been performed and there is NO Os X disc that comes with the computer.

So, once again, tells us .. and please be specific, how can that be done??????????? Formating, which is the only thing that has been mentioned concerning this, DOES NOT install the OS.

Its magical thinking to believe you can install Mac os x onto a blank SSD drive NOT from apple without having an internet connection, previous os installed, and no disc: cd, dvd, flash, or otherwise, to install the operating system from.

You really need to pay attention when people answer your posts.

You can make a bootable image of Lion when you get it, but you will need Snow Leopard to get access to the App Store. Snow Leopard is available on DVD, which is what they are talking about.

Surely Apple don't expect Leopard users to upgrade to Snow Leopard first before they can upgrade to Lion?

Yes, Apple expects you to do just that. Apple has always expected folks to upgrade to the most recent version of Mac OS X before upgrading to the next version. The upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard is US$29 and you get it on a DVD. (The previous upgrade, from Tiger to Leopard was US$179, so you are getting a break.)

Where did you get the idea that new Macs will not come with Install DVDs? There is much more on an Install DVD than the OS. Of course, as we know from the MB Air, the next step could be Install Thumbdrives!

red_menace wrote:

You really need to pay attention when people answer your posts.

You can make a bootable image of Lion when you get it, but you will need Snow Leopard to get access to the App Store. Snow Leopard is available on DVD, which is what they are talking about.

You are the one who needs to pay attention. I originally said with a blank ssd drive on a future macbook pro, like a 2013 mac book pro that has been upgraded with a 3rd party ssd drive.

In a situation like that you aint going to have access to the app store as there is operating on the ssd drive to physically connect to the internet with.

There wont be any snow leopard or anything other to create an image from either as the ssd drive is blank and there is no operating system disc to install an operating system from.

Microsoft tried the whole upgrade only thing for years and it was an utter failure. People had to do one of the following: buy two operating systems, pay 3x more for a full version, or revert back to an archaic highly outdated OS like windows 95.

I see this whole apple upgrade to a new OS via the app store only as a way for apple to make more money making it so people only have only one option, apple. Apple is going to squeeze out ssd manufacturers like intel and micron.

So, just to make sure I've got this straight - you would have thrown away or lost all of the original installation disks (system restore and purchased upgrades), your bootable clones and backups, and any previously downloaded images (e.g. Lion) and the bootable images created from same.

Jeez, most people would make sure they had an external drive with backups (usually several) that they can use to restore things from before wiping or replacing their main drive.

red_menace wrote:

So, just to make sure I've got this straight - you would have thrown away or lost all of the original installation disks (system restore and purchased upgrades), your bootable clones and backups, and any previously downloaded images (e.g. Lion) and the bootable images created from same.

Jeez, most people would make sure they had an external drive with backups (usually several) that they can use to restore things from before wiping or replacing their main drive.

For someone in the future buying their very first mac they wouldn't lose anything they just would not have any of that. This would be especially true for a convert. Someone coming from the PC world.

As for long time mac owners/users. It would be a bit silly to have to revert back to an OS thats 4 generations or whatever old. You wouldn't expect a PC user to have to install Windows 95 to upgrade to Windows 7, would you? So why should we accept something equivalent over on Macs?