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Alejo2056 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I want to know if Apple will create also CD's of the Lion OS X system or if only the people will be allowed to upgrade their systems downloading the installer the Mac App Store.


MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6.7)
  • thomas_r. Level 7 Level 7 (30,120 points)

    Nobody knows anything more than what Apple has said publicly.  They have said there will be no DVD, but whether there are conditions on that or what nobody outside Apple knows.

  • a brody Level 9 Level 9 (64,345 points)

    If you want to be among the many who want a DVD, post here:

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/

  • woodmeister50 Level 5 Level 5 (4,080 points)

    Please send your desire for making Lion available on disk via

    the feedback page located here:

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/

     

    Perhaps, if enough people do this, Apple may change the

    upgrade option for Lion, if they really care about their users.

  • Sjazbec Level 4 Level 4 (1,670 points)

    There wont be physical disks. This new distribution channel is forcefully implemented. Everybody wants to upgrade OSX, sp everybody will follow this new "cloud" way of getting apps. Xcode4 , the SL/Lion combined development app is on MAS now for a longer period and has already seen updates, but its ONLY available there..

     

    New Macs past July 2011 wont have that problem, they come preloaded with Lion and as we know Lion has a on-disk-restore partition so nobody with a Lion Mac needs a disk to reload it.

     

    The problem affects only SnowLeo Users.

  • a brody Level 9 Level 9 (64,345 points)

    >The problem affects only SnowLeo Users.

     

    There are Leopard and Tiger users who have yet to buy Snow Leopard who can't download Lion either, and yes they do have Core2Duo Macs or better. There are Snow Leopard users who don't have high speed broadband for whom the speed of downloading is ridiculously slow.

     

    Unless you personally have the resources  to bring 5 Mbps broadband to everyone who wants Lion, I think saying that "There won't be physical disks.  The new distribution channel is forcefully implemented", don't presume this is true.  Unless you want only those with that kind of bandwidth to upgrade, then please don't play that game with us.    http://www.apple.com/feedback/ is where you should post your desire to have Lion without the requirement to have high speed broadband.  The more who do, the better a chance it will happen.  It may not happen day one, but make our voice louder, please.

  • a brody Level 9 Level 9 (64,345 points)

    Only 17% of the UK has 5Mbps access:

     

    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-246254712.html

     

    Canada won't have that kind of speed nationwide until 2015 at the earliest
    : http://www.techspot.com/news/43651-crtc-5mbps-broadband-for-all-canadians-by-201 5.html
    The United States, 27% have that kind of access:
    http://isaacontech.areavoices.com/2011/02/09/my-internet-is-slow/

     

    With 5Mbps Lion's download is barely manageable 1.8 hours.
    With DSL's average 768 kbps speed being nearly 1/8th that, most people will take as much as 10 to 16 hours to download it.

  • margaretfrombrisbane Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The assumption that Apple is making is that those who own their machines can afford to have fast broadband. I am in Australia, very few of us have fast broadband and as there are 3 macs at our house does this mean I need to download 3 copies? (DRM) A DVD would be far easier to organise around.

  • Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (70,680 points)

    Sjazbec wrote:

     

    New Macs past July 2011 wont have that problem, they come preloaded with Lion and as we know Lion has a on-disk-restore partition so nobody with a Lion Mac needs a disk to reload it.

    This is unwarranted optimism. Yes, if the directory for the normal boot partition fails you can boot from the restore partition (as you can currently with TechTool Pro): but if the whole disk fails you can't boot from anything and need external media to boot from to deal with it. Possibly the facility will be provided to burn your own boot DVD from the restore partition - that would be logical - but this hasn't been mentioned.

  • a brody Level 9 Level 9 (64,345 points)

    We'll have to play a wait and see attitude.  Many have discussed the possibility of making an image of the download may be granted even if a DVD is not available.    Whether or not that will be possible without violating any licensing terms, remains to be seen.  We have 52 more days at most to find out!

  • Dreamforge Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)

    For all OS X version i had in my hands, it was always possible to put the installation images on some DVD, external hard drives, USB keys.... using disk utility and then boot up from it to install the system

     

    In fact, it is mandatory to have the possibility to hold some kind of image as some companies i work for have dozens of mac, i always had a simple way to deploy OS X without wasting my time.

     

    Despite the bandwidth problem some may encounter, all of the OS X Lion Developer Previews have been released through the Mac App Store and what you download is a single installation file which will prepare the system (recovery partition + pre-boot stuff) that you can archive for later use.

  • Dan Mitchell1 Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    Re: if the whole disk fails you can't boot from anything and need external media to boot from to deal with it.

     

    Surely this can be solved by using software like "SuperDuper" to create, on a regular basis, an image of your entire Lion system on to an external HDD, which can then be used to restore your system after a catastrophic internal HDD failure ?

     

    Or having an external Time Machine HDD ?

  • Pondini Level 8 Level 8 (38,720 points)

    We don't really know the whole story yet.

     

    The big announcement Steve Jobs made was, of course, a sales pitch with all the "gee whiz" stuff -- no nitty-gritty, gory details.

     

    Apple's "How to buy" post (http://www.apple.com/macosx/how-to-buy/) clearly says "To upgrade on day one" -- no mention of day two, or twenty.

     

    It would be rather silly for Apple to take the position that, if you don't have broadband (for a 4 GB download), they don't want you as a customer.  So it's likely there will be an alternative for such folks, such as a DVD or USB stick, possibly for a nominal extra fee.

     

    When the actual release date is announced, there will probably be more details.

  • ds store Level 7 Level 7 (30,315 points)

    Dan Mitchell1 wrote:

     

    Re: if the whole disk fails you can't boot from anything and need external media to boot from to deal with it.

     

    Surely this can be solved by using software like "SuperDuper" to create, on a regular basis, an image of your entire Lion system on to an external HDD, which can then be used to restore your system after a catastrophic internal HDD failure ?

     

    Or having an external Time Machine HDD ?

     

    Cloning software like Carbon Copy Cloner and Superdupes! needs to be updated for OS X 10.7 Lion as there is a OS X recovery partition to also clone.

     

    It should work just like before, but of course Apple isn't going to endorse this method EVER!

     

     

    It's possible to burn a ISO/dmg of Lion using the MAS Lion installer, instructions here (credit to Kappy for catching this one):

     

    http://eggfreckles.net/tech/burning-a-lion-boot-disc/

     

    Again Apple likely isn't going to push this out to the masses neither.

     

     

    I don't advise anyone to upgrade to Lion until several months down the road, until third party software is updated, drivers fixed, bugs worked out etc.

     

    If Apple doesn't provide a bootable disk of Lion, some enterprising third party developer will simply take the present OS X Lion installed and make a bootable ISO of it.

     

    It's done on Linux, so it can be done on OS X. The problem of course is doing it before trouble strikes which a lot of people won't do, just like they don't backup or clone.

  • Dan Mitchell1 Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    The problem of course is doing it before trouble strikes which a lot of people won't do, just like they don't backup or clone.

     

    I use an external HDD as my Time Machine, plus make the occasional clone on to another HDD, plus from time to time copy my entire system on to a second earlier model Mac Mini.

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