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  • 120. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (41,525 points)

    You stated; "a baby brother of FileMaker called Bento (now Bento 2)."

     

    Correction Bento is now at version 4 which is a great enhancement over version 2.

     

    I know you have all kinds of problems with the way Bento is designed. For me I find that I am actually able to do far more with Bento 4 then I ever did with AW database. So I simply ignore all of the design problems you see with Bento and just use it for my database needs.

     

    Allan

  • 121. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (65,545 points)

    @Allan: Thanks for the correction, I'll amend the reference in my page on the subject. As I said, Bento is fine for people with fairly basic needs, and certainly an affordable solution.

     

    @Stephen: FileMaker have a free app for iOS which can display Filemaker Pro 12 databases.

  • 122. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    a brody Level 9 Level 9 (63,310 points)

    CreativeStuff,

     

    I don't agree with your analogy: 

     

    Moreso, its just, "Hello, we're turned off your plumbing, not because you haven't paid your bill.  Its just, we don't want to give you any water any more.  Good luck."  Final Cut X is a giant step backward.  Its almost like giving you the pipe, but no valves.  Very frustrating attitude.

     

    Quite the contrary, instead giving you a pipe, they have given you a brand new warehouse with non-lead based pipes to replace your lead based pipe house. Appleworks, is a much less sophisticated database program than Filemaker Pro.   The only commonality is that both handle delimited text files.  Bento is closer to just replacing your house with lead free pipes, but you still have to convert the delimited text files to a simpler database format than Filemaker Pro.  And you have to export the delimited file while still using 10.6.8 or earlier.

  • 123. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    creativestuff Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    I was not referring to the database functions.  I've never used them.  I was referring to the Word Processing and Draw functions.  I cross over, because I have to for the outside world.  I know Word, I'm a Photoshop expert.  It is much easier to write using the Apple Works word processor and probably because it is less sophisticated.  Try deleting the first letter off of a word, you can't select it, you get the whole word, or you have to break your concentration on editing (closer to a sub-conscious function) and consciously figure out how to place the cursor and step it where you want to delete.  Repeat these kinds of stupid design flaws built into multiple generations of Word and yes, Apple Works, Claris Works was far better.  If you want to do a columnar layout, Word goes berserk with all of its predetermined templates fighting what you want to do. Photoshop makes it look good, but is not designed for such basic editing, you have to double your keystrokes and think harder for the same result.  Any sort of complex layout, there is nothing better than Draw.  And the key think in the analogy, if I want my pipes this should be my decision.  I had to get the new computer with the new OS because the old computer died.  Planned obsolescence by Apple.  In that step, they also forcibly cut off my work flow, which is essentially what I bought each of the succession of computers since the 80's to continue.  Windoze machines still let you run DOS programs.

  • 124. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    DJTEMPO Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm with Ronda.

     

    If you go back a few pages, you'll see that I had bought a 2011 1.8GHz i7 based Air.  Turned around and sold it a couple months afterwards simply because I couldn't get access to all my old Appleworks created documents.  Further, none of the offerings from Apple that were supposed to be replacing the functionality of Appleworks were working for me.

     

    I ended up replacing my Air with a 2.0 GHz 13" white MacBook.  It's happily running 10.5.8, and Appleworks.

     

    Until there is a "new" function I need to be able to do with my computer(s), I will not be upgrading the hardware. Or the software, for that matter.  These devices are supposed to be making our lives easier.  I feel like I have to be a Mac "tech" now in order to accomplish... well... anything.  This is ALL getting WAY too complicated.

     

    Appleworks, like Clarisworks before it, made things simple.

  • 125. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,080 points)

    The problem is not that AppleWorks has now gone, as it was antiquated software. It's that its functionality has not been adequately replaced. TextEdit will replicate much of the WP module, but not all (perhaps Pages does?). Numbers does replace the SS module. The database module was always inferior to FileMaker and maybe Bento is its replacement? The main problem was 1) they never replaced the Draw module, and 2) there is no suite of software so elegantly tied together as was AW.

     

    But this failure isn't new! Go back to 2000 when AW replaced ClarisWorks 5  - two very useful functions (Publish/Subscribe, and macros) were not included in AW6.

     

    So I don't mourn AW except the loss of the Draw module, but I do mourn Apple's lack of commitment to what AW represented, and how that's never been replaced. Having said that, Microsoft have never replaced MS Works either, preferring that users invest in Office instead.

  • 126. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Barry Level 7 Level 7 (29,180 points)

    christopher rigby1 writes:

    "Go back to 2000 when AW replaced ClarisWorks 5  - two very useful functions (Publish/Subscribe, and macros) were not included in AW6."

     

    Not sure when P&S disappeared, as I hadn't used it enough to miss it, but Macro support continued in AW6 up to 6.2.8. Here's a screen shot showing the Macro dialogue behind the AW splash screen for that version:

    Picture 1.png

    Macros didn't make the transition to Mac OS X, but continued to be supported in the OS 9 versions of AW right up to this final version, included in the AW 6.2.9 package.

     

    Regards,

    Barry

  • 127. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (65,545 points)

    christopher rigby1 wrote:

     

    TextEdit will replicate much of the WP module, but not all (perhaps Pages does?).

    Pages is actually pretty good: having used AW for years I now use Pages for word processing and it's fine - it also handles font display much better than AW. It's quite good for layout, though I tend to use Swift Publisher for that (AW of course didn't really differentiate between WP and layout).

    The database module was always inferior to FileMaker and maybe Bento is its replacement?

    The database certainly doesn't have the full range of facilities that FileMaker does, but it is remarkably powerful: I find that the main advantage of FileMaker is that it is highly automatable: the AW database is allegedly AppleScript-aware but in practice I never found it to work. Bento is nowhere: it's only applicable for very simple use - cataloguing a moderately sized CD collection, for example: it's pretty and very easy to use but has nothing remotely like the power of AppleWorks.

    they never replaced the Draw module

    You can do a surprising amount in the layout part of Pages, though it's a bit clumsy (e.g. lines have to be imported then changed, not drawn between points). EazyDraw is the best alternative, though it's quite a bit different it is very powerful - though by no means cheap.

    there is no suite of software so elegantly tied together as was AW

    You've certainly got that right. It's an amazingly well written piece of software - more powerful than it looks at first, and very small sized compared with modern bloated programs. I was able to get it to do fairly advanced database work eighteen years ago.

  • 128. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Pugsoft Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I am also a fan of AppleWorks.

     

    I use an iMac under Lion 10.7.5, and am having a great deal of success running the PC version of AppleWorks using the new Parallels 8 software with Windows XP.

     

    I have all of the functionality that I need, and my old documents all open up, including one I was looking at today, originally created in 1995.

     

    I use iWork for other tasks, and it is an impressive set of software, albeit lacking a database (not counting Bento, since it's not in iWork), but I still enjoy using AppleWorks for its simplicity, familiarity and functionality.

  • 129. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,080 points)

    Barry wrote:

     

    christopher rigby1 writes:

    "Go back to 2000 when AW replaced ClarisWorks 5  - two very useful functions (Publish/Subscribe, and macros) were not included in AW6."

     

    Not sure when P&S disappeared, as I hadn't used it enough to miss it, but Macro support continued in AW6 up to 6.2.8. Here's a screen shot showing the Macro dialogue behind the AW splash screen for that version:

    Picture 1.png

    Macros didn't make the transition to Mac OS X, but continued to be supported in the OS 9 versions of AW right up to this final version, included in the AW 6.2.9 package.

     

    Regards,

    Barry

     

    That's something I never discovered. I was using OS9 right up to 2005, and therefore used ClarisWorks5 (with Macros) as I had no reason to upgrade. Then when I got an iMac G5 it came bundled with AppleWorks 6.2.9 and I therefore assumed that Macros had never been in AW. I suppose it was something to do with OSX why it was discontinued?

  • 130. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Phil Femano Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    "Having said that, Microsoft have never replaced MS Works either..."

     

    Oh good Lord, PLEASE don't attempt to jusify bad behavior at Apple by invoking Microsoft as the  standard bearer.

  • 131. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    christopher rigby1 Level 4 Level 4 (2,080 points)

    Phil Femano wrote:

     

    "Having said that, Microsoft have never replaced MS Works either..."

     

    Oh good Lord, PLEASE don't attempt to jusify bad behavior at Apple by invoking Microsoft as the  standard bearer.

     

    No, I don't mean it that way! It's just that "budget office suite" software was very much of its time (80s, 90s), and probably represents the best value software ever produced. For the companies involved, it became a kind of "loss leader", not repaying the investment needed to keep it up to date, and eventually every single one got dropped. In Microsoft's case, they became market leaders with  their fully-fledged Office suite which has been one of their most profitable lines. Apple kept AW going a long time, bundling it as late as 2005/6, and it could still run in Rosetta until the release of Lion in 2011. That's not bad for an app which began life in 1991. They now need to make iWork as tight and feature-rich as AW.

     

    I don't use iWork. I have TextEdit for 90% of my WP work, and Word for the remainder. I rarely use spreadsheets, preferring FileMaker Pro which can also display as a spreadsheet. I have Photoshop for graphics work, but I would miss the Drawing module. I would also miss the way a number of different media can be combined into a single document, DTP-style. However, once I am unable to run AW, I'm guessing I will be able to use Pages for DTP.

  • 132. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    MlchaelLAX Level 4 Level 4 (1,745 points)

    Another option: Run Appleworks 6 in Snow Leopard (with Rosetta) installed into Parallels:

     

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    Full Snow Leopard installation instructions here:

     

    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1365439

  • 133. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    GeneMike Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Earlier in this thread, there was a link to a "7 page discussion on migrating from AW."  The link was broken and I can't find it.

     

    Have pity on me - I am migrating from PPC computers (4 of them) to new Mac Book Pros with Mountain Lion.  I have years of AppleWorks and MS Works files.  I have spent the last two days with a previous champion software, MacLinkPlus converting files and have no idea when I will finish.  Any ideas are appreciated.

     

    When it is said that Pages will open AW WP files, is there any way to do a macro?

  • 134. Re: AppleWorks and Lion
    Roger Wilmut1 Level 9 Level 9 (65,545 points)

    GeneMike wrote:

     

    Earlier in this thread, there was a link to a "7 page discussion on migrating from AW."  The link was broken and I can't find it.

    Do you mean my article? - http://rfwilmut.net/aw

     

    Pages will open AW6 WP files but if you want to automate the process you will either need to set something up in AppleScript or Automator (I don't know whether this is possible) or use a third-party macro problem such as QuicKeys (which isn't cheap and furthermore has some issues Lion - it still hasn't been updated).

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