iPhone can be shut down with screen locked and passcode set

You're trying to educate us about the value of Find My iPhone? I'm not sure what your point is.

I'm glad you have a 'cap' on your wireless carrier bill. But that's irrelevant. You're saying that you'd be fine with a $900 fraud charge?

I'm not sure what your point is anymore, actually.

How is them making outboound calls, that you see the phone numbers for, going to help you trace the phone? You're going to call those outbound numbers and ask them to help you track the person down? Unlikely. I'd never give out the personal information of one of my friends to a stranger.

Just use the FMiP feature, and notify law enforcement and wireless carrier if it's stolen. It can still be tracked using FMiP after you make the report.

Tjbusmc1973

Fantastic. That's exactly the kind of scenario I would expect this to work. I'm sick of hearing about professionals carrying paperclips with them. A dumb thief like you described could fluke taking your phone if they turn it off. That's why I'm asking for a pass code to turn off. It's simple. The reset can be next to the sim tray with a button that you need a paperclip to press. A lot of electronics have these kind of reset buttons. With iPhone having a hard wired battery it's got an advantage.

That won't stop being able to turn off the phone. You can turn the phone off other ways, plus the only reason you want a block to turn off the phone is to foil the FMiP? Let's just put it this way: FMiP depends on having an active internet connection from the device. And there are ways to prevent an iPhone from having internet access, either via wi-fi or cellular.

Ever had a call drop inside of a mall or supermarket? Wonder why? Because certain materials interfere with those transmissions. That's as far as I'll go on that. You don't have to turn off an iPhone to prevent an internet connection.

Therefore, requiring some form of 'lock' to be able to turn off the device is counter-productive, would cause to many negative issues for legitimate users, and not prevent the 'bad guys' from what they're trying to do anyways.

What is your fascination about resetting your phone. I've had an iPhone for years and use it to do everything that it's capabilities allow. I almost never use my pic or laptop any more and I've never needed to do a reset. Do you reset just for the heck of it cause you're bored?

Dionysis73 wrote:

That's why I'm asking for a pass code to turn off. It's simple

Since the battery in the iPhone is not removable, that particular "feature" would probably cause it to fail regulatory safety testing, causing it to be banned from sale in the US and most other civilized countries. If it were to be damaged, the consumer has no way to physically power the device off, creating a fire or explosion hazard.

I've had a water affected iPhone and the screen was not working. You couldn't turn it off any way. A code to turn a phone off existed before Iphones. Nokia had it as a feature to use if you wanted it. Why have a great feature like find my iPhone if all anyone has to do is turn the phone off? Is it that hard to understand. Bricking a phone is not that great of a feature as I can already block any phone I own by calling my network and giving them my imie number.

Dionysis73 wrote:

I've had a water affected iPhone and the screen was not working. You couldn't turn it off any way.

That must be your idea of the perfect iPhone - totally useless but can't be shut off by a thief!

Why have a great feature like find my iPhone if all anyone has to do is turn the phone off? Is it that hard to understand.

First, FMiP was never meant to be an antitheft feature - it's for finding lost/misplaced phones. If you can't get to it quickly, you can lock or wipe the data. What's easy to understand is that requiring a passcode to shut down is pointless. and potentially dangerous.

Bricking a phone is not that great of a feature as I can already block any phone I own by calling my network and giving them my imie number.

You miss the point entirely. Stolen phones are hacked to unlock and used with other carriers, often in other countries or sold as is to some other sucker. Most stolen phones are posted on ebay within hours. There is no universal IMEI blacklist Reporting it stolen only protects you from charges by others and creates little disincentive to thieves

The Activation Lock, on the other hand, makes the phone useless to anyone else and makes the device far less attractive to thieves. (No one cares at all about the ignorant "amateur" middle school thieves, which constitute a minute fraction of of iPhone thefts.)

Personally I do not think they will ever impliment this security feature. Phone theft is huge and Apple also profits from phone replacement. If they cared, they would add the passcode option to: shutting the phone down, reset/reboot option, and use of apps outside of the passcode (flashlight). Software has been created to track every aspect of your life, but they cannot make a passcode to prevent shutting down or rebooting when a phone is stolen. I read some of the responses above..."none of the info on the the phone can be stolen if protected by passcode". Great feedback...but Apple isn't going to pay for the stolen $600-800 phone. The info on the inside is important...but so is the phone. If Apple can add these security options, then phones may be less of a target for theft.

Dionysis73 wrote:

I've had a water affected iPhone and the screen was not working. You couldn't turn it off any way.

That must be your idea of the perfect iPhone - totally useless but can't be shut off by a thief!

I don't know about you but I like to be able to turn something off when it's been water affected and you can't do that with an iPhone that has a non removable battery. It's simple phone can't be turned off by removing battery, has lost my iPhone installed and activated BUT ALL ANYONE HAS TO DO IS TURN IT OFF???? Why can't the brain capacity of people on this forum understand that.????

How does not being able to turn your phone off when water affected comply with any regulatory safety requirements is beyond me as well.

BSFlag73 wrote:

Personally I do not think they will ever impliment this security feature. Phone theft is huge and Apple also profits from phone replacement. If they cared, they would add the passcode option to: shutting the phone down, reset/reboot option, and use of apps outside of the passcode (flashlight). Software has been created to track every aspect of your life, but they cannot make a passcode to prevent shutting down or rebooting when a phone is stolen. I read some of the responses above..."none of the info on the the phone can be stolen if protected by passcode". Great feedback...but Apple isn't going to pay for the stolen $600-800 phone. The info on the inside is important...but so is the phone. If Apple can add these security options, then phones may be less of a target for theft.

You REALLY don't get it. Requiring a passcode to turn off the phone would do NOTHING to prevent theft and do NOTHING to allow tracking of the phone -- UNLESS you also required a passcode to remove the SIM, and you required a passcode to wrap the phone in aluminum foil. And how would you ever require a passcode to run the battery down? But what it WOULD do is make millions of users mad as heck because they had to enter a passcode to shut of their own phone.

Obviously it would be a feature you wouldn't use so you wouldn't turn it on.

Most people I know almost never turn their Iphones off, usually the battery dies,

Or they put their phone on silent while resting or at work etc. I appreciate your point regarding sim removal but unless your in an office environment paper clips are not that handy to be found. Nobody is talking about preventing professional thieves or tech savvy individuals from keeping your phone, just the general populace that would or might keep a phone that was found.

Not to mention the fact that one swipe up from the lock screen and enable airplane mode...puff all radios off! May as well be switched off! So not a perfect system at all, I think we do have a setting to disable the control panel in the lock screen though, has anyone switched it off?

A.Baker wrote:

I think we do have a setting to disable the control panel in the lock screen though, has anyone switched it off?

Why would I? It would inconvenience me and change nothing for thieves. All a thief has to do is put the phone in a container that blocks radio waves and "puff all radios off".

It is intended. When you restart your iPhone, you still have to enter your passcode. Any thief would not be able to open it.

Even with a reset, your phone is restarting so it's coming right back on anyway. They still won't be able to turn it completely off.