OMG it is iMovie Pro: No project import - no SDI output!

RedHavoc wrote:

I have just applied for a refund...

How? I am trying to do the same.

Well... I've contacted the App Store support requesting one... no idea if they will let me. I hope so, I'd rather save my money for now, and then upgrade in the future when I really need to.

(I don't need to now, I was just hoping I could seemlessly carry on my work but with a different UI and 64-bit etc...)

http://www.apple.com/uk/support/mac/app-store/contact.html?form=account&topic=Ma cAppStoreAccountandBilling

If Apple had called it a different name would you then be happy? Don't buy anything you don't know anything about. If you absolutely have to do it, don't come back to complain.

mish

What an idiotic and unhelpful response.

So what happens when operating system upgradeds render FCP 7 useless.

All those pro users who still require working with EDL and HD-SDI outs for colour grades etc? All those broadcast users who need to play out to HDCAM SR or DigiBeta (both still UK broadcast standards)?

Back to Avid?

Absolutely right on Andrew. After all the hype, I was looking forward to finishing some of my projects on this version. iMovie import but no means to open older versions of FCP? And while I'm waiting for this program to install, I read that it overwrites the older version of FCP? Is this true? Did I miss a window? If so, Thank god for time machine.

mishmumken wrote:

If Apple had called it a different name would you then be happy?

Yes. I would not have bought iMovie Pro as I have no use for it.

mishmumken wrote:

Don't buy anything you don't know anything about. If you absolutely have to do it, don't come back to complain.

Don't patronize us. I along with many others were at a live demo, and have read numerous reviews, and the description of the app before buying. There is no demo version, so there's a degree of faith here admittedly. We are all seasoned FCP users here. We have been misled, plain and simple.

This version of FCP reminds me of Intuit updating Quicken 2007 by releasing Quicken Essentials.

I doubt it will do any good, but I just wrote Apple a letter.

jackjames wrote:

Don't patronize us. I along with many others were at a live demo, and have read numerous reviews, and the description of the app before buying. There is no demo version, so there's a degree of faith here admittedly. We are all seasoned FCP users here. We have been misled, plain and simple.

I'm probably the least knowledgeable and least experienced FCP user to post on the FCP boards, but it was quite clear to me that FCP X would be nothing like FCP. You have read numerous reviews? There are tons of experienced editors around here, on the COW and other boards that have continously voiced concern about these things. It just doesn't register with me that you would buy a product literally minutes after it's appearance without even reading the specs.

It's your wallet, dude....

Please link me to the place in the official specs of FCP X that states that it won't be able to import old projects.

Please also show me in the official specs where it says you won't be able to import/export EDLs and XML files.

Exactly my point. If it isn't listed, it isn't there. That was a concern for many from the get-go ... there was no mention of any of this in the presentation.

mish

But in the presentation they did say that it was an unfinished work and that there was lots more to come.

Also, as someone else pointed out... when iWork gets updated, they don't mention anywhere whether or not you will be able to open old files, but, of course, you can.

Why should this be any different?

The LAST thing I care about is the money. What I care about is when a client walks in with a FCPX project and we have no way to conform in a proper suite. What I care about is finishing an edit and no being about to create an OMF file to send to the audio house. What I care about is SDI support, so I can at least play out a project with crash code to another room.

If you're doing corporate video with a Panasonic HD camera for delivery directly to the web - this is a great release.

But if you're doing 4 x :30 spots for a national campaign with a room full of agency people, this release is a MAJOR step backwards.

If you're shooting a video for buddy's band and want to put it up on Vimeo - it's a great release.

But if you're doing a 6 minute stereoscopic theatrical piece that needs to be sent to another suite for conform, colour correction, convergence and compositing - you are SOL.

These are all things Final Cut used to be able to do handle, get it?

In a video application with the "Pro" moniker, there are things that can be reasonably assumed to be there. Things like capuring and playing back to tape in higher end formats than the DV variants, robust timecode support (i've read elsewhere that the timeline is no longer frame based, but 1000ths of a second like quicktime tracks time internally?), Importing of old projects (even if that means having to export to an intermediate file from the old version first), EDL support - I mean honestly, EDLs are the most basic way to move things from one pro tool to another. The list goes on and on.

If they called it Final Cut Lite, nobody would be complaining. But the name Pro, the fact that it's a higher version number than the previous release, and the fact that they've been saying all along that it was in-progress with more things to come should make it pretty clear why people are upset.

This application is useless to us, just based on a few key missing features, all of which have been in every version since the beginning of FCP, and in just about every pro video app that preceeded it - Premiere, Avid, Media 100, etc. It's a reasonable assumption that a newer version of an application will still support features of previous versions (maybe in a different way, but they'll be there), especially when those features are integral to the use of the tool in the professional environment it's ostensibly meant to be used in.

RedHavoc wrote:

Why should this be any different?

Because it's a complete rewrite, not just an upgrade. It has virtually nothing to do with FCP/FCS apart from the name. There are many features that aren't there anymore, you can't use the old plugins, etc. And this has never been geared towards those professionals that deal with broadcast and the like .... not to insult you, but you could really smell it for miles.

mish