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Jeremy Nicholls Level 1 Level 1 (145 points)

OK so I am having a play with FCP X.

 

Main points so far:

 

• No importing of any kind of project from any other NLE - even FCP 7.

• No SDI output to a pro monitor.

• Event based system like iMovie.

• Can't move panels about in a dual monitor setup.

 

This is going to be fun.

  • NSewell Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    • No EDIT TO TAPE
    • No EDL / XML EXPORT
    • No Setting Sequence Timecode

     

    In short, a massive, massive disappointment. You simply cannot call this application PRO -  it doesn't integrate into any kind of workflow, it's an island unto itself.

  • Andrew G. Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    One would hope that some of this functionality will come in near-future updates (wishful thinking?) but yes, I can't use this software unless it—at the very least—plays nice with Creative Suite and older Final Cut projects, and I can't justify cutting a $500 check to Automatic Duck just for the privilege of exporting EDLs. Also seems rather misleading that there doesn't seem to be any mention anywhere in the marketing materials that Final Cut Pro X can't open Final Cut Pro 7 files, as a user like myself might reasonably assume.

     

    I might feel a bit better about having just dropped $300 on this if Apple were a touch less secretive about what additional features we can expect in the future. As it stands, this software dosen't look like it was ready to be released.

  • RedHavoc Level 3 Level 3 (770 points)

    This is pretty much a f***ing disaster. ;-)

  • jackjames Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This wouldn't be so bad if not for two main points:

     

    1. It's called Final Cut Pro X, thus indicating some progression from Final Cut Pro 7
    2. We have been hearing testimonial after testimonial from "superstar professional editors" that this would not be the case. It is.

     

    /facepalm

  • NSewell Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This release is simply missing a massive number of NECESSARY tools for it to even be considered in a professional work flow. 

     

    We have a million dollar Quantel suite next door where we like to do our grading and conforms.

     

    How come I can't export even a simple, basic EDL, let alone and AAF? 

     

    How come I can't even choose the start timecode in my sequence, so you know, like my 2 beep might actually hit at 59:58:00 rather than 00:00:02:00?

     

    How come I can't watch the output stream on our nice Cinatel without the crappy iMovie UI baked in?

     

    #FinalCutX (PRO sold separately)

  • mishmumken Level 5 Level 5 (4,000 points)

    jackjames wrote:

     

      ..... We have been hearing testimonial after testimonial from "superstar professional editors" that this would not be the case

     

    Where exactly did you hear that FCP X would have XML/EDL/OMF support, tape I/O, SDI support??

     

    This has been questioned from day one. If you only listen to the yay-sayers, that is your problem.

     

    mish

  • jackjames Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    mishmumken wrote:

     

    Where exactly did you hear that FCP X would have XML/EDL/OMF support, tape I/O, SDI support??

    See also my point #1. I also didn't hear that FCPX would work with footage longer than one minute, would I be criticised for assuming that if it didn't?

  • Jeremy Nicholls Level 1 Level 1 (145 points)

    How is it pro when you can't color correct with a broadcast preview monitor?  Lack of SDI capture support means you can't preview your work...

     

    Support for AJA or Blackmagic capture cards actually is a pre-requisite for professional finishing of projects - as is EDL/OMF support.

     

    Tape I/O would also be useful as certainly in the UK - broadcast standards still require a tape delivery on HDCAM.

  • perry paolantonio Level 6 Level 6 (10,490 points)

    Yeah, we're definitely sticking with FCP 7. Our clients demand tape output, we get all of their masters on tape, we need SDI out through our Blackmagic boards in order to see what we're doing, EDL/XML import is critical for us because we use it to do burned-in subtitles.

     

    Not being able to import an old project is just crazy. I mean, I can't think of any application I use that can't open/convert an older project to the current format. We have jobs going back 10 years that we need to have access to. I guarantee the minute we delete FCP 7 from our system, an old client will call wanting changes made to something from 2003!

     

    If this is the direction Apple is headed with this app, well, it's pretty sad. We can hold out with FCP 7 for a few more years, but there's going to come a time when an upgrade will be necessary due to hardware changes. Things had better change. This is a massive step backward.

  • NSewell Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Exactly. None of these things are 'bells and whistles' more like 'meat and potatoes'. But thanks for including the CNN iReport preset. #InsultToInjury

  • jackjames Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Jeremy Nicholls wrote:

     

    How is it pro when you can't color correct with a broadcast preview monitor?  Lack of SDI capture support means you can't preview your work...

     

    Support for AJA or Blackmagic capture cards actually is a pre-requisite for professional finishing of projects - as is EDL/OMF support.

     

    Tape I/O would also be useful as certainly in the UK - broadcast standards still require a tape delivery on HDCAM.

    I guess real pros only output to youtube, facebook, vimeo, and something called cnn ireport.

  • Andrew G. Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    Check the splash screen. This is version 10.0.0 of "Final Cut Pro," not version 1 of a different application called "Final Cut Pro X." Also note the inclusion of the word "Pro," which generally denotes some minimum standard of functionality. I understand that it's a complete rewrite, that it's a work in progress, etc., but I don't see how the software as it stands now could possibly be of use to professional editors, no matter how fast it can import DSLR footage.

  • Global Hiccup Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    Ha! Looks like I just saved 299$$....

     

    Joking apart, Apple clearly spent a lot of R&D on this version, so why alienate a huge swathe of current users? Doesn't make sense.

     

    I too need edit to tape, setting T/C in a sequence and I import lots of XML's from subtitling software.

     

    It feels more and more like an iMovie upgrade...

     

    More and more it seems a strange fork in the road and Apple's silence on so many 7 features makes me wonder if there is an ulterior motive here....

  • nicholaspb Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I have already sent an e-mail to App Store support complaining about this. It won't do any good, but we can only hope that if enough people complain something will be done.

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