Cookies set to "Never" but Safari now accepts all cookies anyway

nicoladie wrote:

I'm not talking about the cookies deposited by the search engine. I am talking about the cookies deposited by the websites you surf. When you use ixquick's proxy to surf any website, none of the cookies in those surfed websites will be deposited in your computer. The proxy traps them.

All those 100s of unwanted cookies are deposited by the websites you surfed or pre-fetched by the browser. The cookies of the search engine is only 1 out of 100s of unwanted ones.

Ixquick is a meta-search engine. It uses a voting system to aggregate the search results, which means the search results are statistically significant, with consensus among search engines.

This means it eliminates any bias and skewing of the search result by any search engine, or any tricks the website used to artificially jack up their search rank. It gives much more reliable search results because meta-search result is, by definition, is independent of the specific search algorithm because the search result is voted on by multiple search algorithms.

I'm sorry, but you don't understand how this works (asides from this being off topic). What Ixquick does is take the top 10 results from several major search engines (google, yahoo, etc) and the results that are most common to these are displayed. If the top 10 results in google, and yahoo etc. are sensationalist garbage, guess what? You get garbage results--the most common garbage between them. Google, Yahoo and others display results they think you are most likely to click, not results most related to what you actually searched for--and their results are becoming very similar. There are many sites like ixquick that do this, which all suffer the same problem. The difference with duckduckgo is it's trying to find resuts that are most related to what you searched for.

For example, try searching for "budget of Iceland" in the major search engines or ixquick. You'll notice the results are roughly the same, all trying to sell you a flight there or other travel related stuff (top link on ixquick is for Icelandair). Then try duckduck, and you'll see the first link of duckduck is actually about the budget of Iceland.

As for cookies on websites we go to, that is the point of this thread, having Safari respect the choice not to accept cookies--which it largely does with version 5.1.4.

Safari 5.1.4 on a Mac Version 10.6.8 does not block any cookies and the block third parties cookies does not work. I get so many cookies safari crashes. Apple you all need to get this working.

Zoomc wrote:

Safari 5.1.4 on a Mac Version 10.6.8 does not block any cookies and the block third parties cookies does not work.

I find this Absolute True. The same code ver used here. Early 08 MP.

I'm convinced it was never itended for users to have any real control.

Only took me 5 years to figure this out, if the words are twisted left of logic, it's an obvious clue.

Why would there be an option for 'Never', is that some kind of Joke?

'Always' has, and only locks out to where you want to be,, that just cracks me up.

Here's a billion, you want me to do what? It's a little short...

Some 14 yr old Guru will do a fly by, with the perfect App that does it all,

just as wanted, all dialed in.

If lines of reply indicate they never look here, start laughing & get real time theropy.

Cheers & Thanks

Zoomc wrote:

Safari 5.1.4 on a Mac Version 10.6.8 does not block any cookies and the block third parties cookies does not work. I get so many cookies safari crashes. Apple you all need to get this working.

Hello Zoomc,

I'm also using 5.1.4 on 10.6.8. I'm not getting any cookies, only cache (expected) and some local storage. Please reset Safari (or click "remove all website data") then browse your regular sites with "Block cookies" set to "always" and then click on "Details" and let me know if you are actually getting loads of cookies, or just cache files. I thought this issue was sorted with 5.1.4 (it has been for me) so this would be interesting.

Thanks.

also, check for RSS feeds causing those issues. I was getting all kinds of stuff from old feeds that no longer worked correctly.

What I am now seeing, after both the 5.1.4 and 5.1.5 update is that after a reset, not everything gets deleted. It takes two resets to get "local storage" removed.

Zebra Storm, do you see local storage pop back up after resetting? For example, if I visit twitter, then reset, it takes two resets to get rid of that local storage...

powerbook1701 wrote:

Zebra Storm, do you see local storage pop back up after resetting? For example, if I visit twitter, then reset, it takes two resets to get rid of that local storage...

Yes, PB1701, it's been the same for me with 5.1.4 and no change in 5.1.5--requires two flushes/restarts to clear everything. After one wipe, there is usually one or two items still there. There is also the scrollbar glitch if you shrink a window horizontally, but that's not a big deal. It does show that they are really putting less and less into OSX. Given where their money comes from (iOS) it's not surprising. With Tim running the show, hopefully they will tighten up the ship a bit in this regard. Mr. Cook is an operations management wizard, and has gotten far too little credit for his efforts over the past years. I'm interested where he takes the company.

I noticed that iTunes also become usless if the cookies in Safari are not allowed.

iTunes Store, iTunes Genius and iTunes Match will simply not work at all, and not even give you any suggestion on what needs to be done to make them work = enable the cookies.

Apple's support website also needs the cookies.

The sad thing is Cookie Monster is not the one managing all these cookies.

I am currenlty testing some of the extensions:

https://extensions.apple.com/

McGio,

I have just had a frustating few weeks trying to get Apple to take a log-in problem with iTunes seriously. iTunes store kept asking for me to log-in. I finally read your post and decided to enable cookies in safari and try iTunes. Fantastic! It works.

Someone at Apple should take the left ear of the vice-president of Safari cookie development and the right ear of the vice-president of iTunes cookie development and knock their heads together as hard as possible.

I have noticed, however, that if I use the option in the safari preferences, privacy window to "REMOVE ALL WEBSITE DATA," it seems to flush everything fine. Using reset safari, or just the button to remove data inside the "details" screen (using remove all), that I have to do that several times in order to flush things..

On my machine, Remove All Website Data... (confirm) behaves exactly the same as the sequence Details... Remove All.. (confirm). The behavior is this:

However many data items I start with, doing either of the above removes them. Close Preferences and reopen it: a small number return; this number is different every time around the track; say it's 5. I examine what they are via Details... Done, then remove all once more, close & reopen. Now a different small number of items appears; say it's 2 this time. Examine them, remove all, close & reopen Preferences. The original 5 are back. Remove, close & reopen: the 2 are back. Remove, close & reopen: the 5 are back... and you can cycle that way forever.

To start completely fresh I remove all, close Preferences, Empty Cache... (confirm), and quit Safari. Then run a script (described here) that copies known-good cookies over the stored cookies, and removes the Local Storage directory and replaces it with known-good contents. Start Safari and it's clean.

Well, after Safari 5.1.7 update, I am hoping Apple fixed this issue. BUT, I do not see anything in the notes for either Safari or the Security Update that was released 5/9/12....

Did you mean 5.1.6? I just accepted the Software Update (700K+!) and Safari now identifies as 5.1.6.

I see absolutely no change in Safari's behavior. 3rd-party cookies still accumulate by the dozens and scores each time I visit almost any commercial site.

I now routinely "Delete All Website Data..." before quitting each time; then "Empty Cache...", confirm, and quit. Then restore my desired cookies & Local Storage (Flash cookies being permanently disabled) before restarting.

I expect I will do so as long as I run Safari. They are never going to fix this.

For snow leopard users, the safari version was 5.1.7. I haven't had enough time to test yet.

Do you have any extensions installed that could be leading to this?

I will report back if either the safari update or the security update "fixed" this issue.