Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 4:33 AM (in response to Philscbx)
To get around Safari's default blocking, Google exploited a loophole in the browser's privacy settings.MacPro3.1Xeon, 8gb, 4-1TB, 10.6.6, MBP13, PB1.67,2GB,10.4.11, iPh3GS, Mac OS X (10.6.8), Cinema 20,23-Blu M/Keys-iTunes-ATV-
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 7:25 AM (in response to Philscbx)
The WSJ link provided great info re the issue, and thanks for posting it.
But in my case, at least, it's not really relevant. 1) It talks about logged-in Google users. I never log in to my Google account. And as of yesterday, I no longer have a Google account. 2) It talks about initial cookies being planted (the ones that open the door to others) when you click on an ad. I *never* click on ads. Never.
As I said in a recent posting to this Discussion, it has finally occurred to me that there's something else going on here that's not easily fixed. Looks like I was right. I wonder what else might be involved?
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 7:36 AM (in response to Silkroad)
Right, I never click on ad's or respond to posts by clicking Facebook log in links.
But, it's pretty hard to not have a YouTube acct, and if so, you are part of the club.
Also, maybe missed, Google fools Safari with background forms you never see to keep the ball rolling
in their favor.
So until we have a bullet to chose from in Privacy that blocks all accept who we allow, game over, they win.
So far, all we have is 3rd party privacy choice, or we can't get in here.
I now have 399 logged in cookies I never went to today.
Mostly from news sites.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 7:39 AM (in response to Silkroad)
Please consider, I use Lion (10.7.3) and Safari (5.1.3). But I don´t really know, if all people posting here are still using OS 10.6 or if they talking about some stuff on Lion. Sorry, but why don´t you contact the support over the contact form on apple.com? It tries to help me with some other stuff right now. Not solved yet, but maybe soon.
I just want to add, that it Safari (with LION!!) works fine with me. I think Safari does what it tells you and what you tell it:
- It just stores the cookies you want it to store.
-> Ok, I don´t feel well about all the cookie stuff today, but you can set what you want it to do.
- But it sotres other content as well, regardless to the cookies setting (Cache, plug-ins…)
- It sotres also content from third parties, but no cookies.
- I don´t log into google.
-> I hope (and pray…) that the other content does not bother my mac and my privacy like cookies are able to do.
Any comment on this? I hope I didn´t annoy anyone, but I thought it´s useful for some Lion users…
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 7:46 AM (in response to Philscbx)
Same here -- my web excursions are almost exclusively limited to news sites. And even when Always blocking cookies, I accumulate 500+ cookies. Without ever clicking an ad.
At one point, I tried to figure out the source for the cookies, but got 404's or site-under-construction pages, or just nothing. So you can't even determine who it is that's tracking you. Maybe that's what bothers me the most.
One other thing, for the record: Yahoo knows I am in Austin, even though I've *never* done anything that would tell them this. So it's not just Google.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 7:51 AM (in response to Silkroad)
Yahoo knows I am in Austin, even though I've *never* done anything that would tell them this. So it's not just Google.
There are numerous online services companies can use to pin down your location based on your IP address and other factors. It's not 100% accurate, but it's getting pretty close. You don't need ever to have clicked "Allow" in a dialog where someone was requesting your location.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 7:56 AM (in response to Keith Dawson)
This is a bit off-topic, I guess, but I am beginning to wonder if it's worth it to go near the Web for any reason.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 7:57 AM (in response to Silkroad)
Silkroad wrote:One other thing, for the record: Yahoo knows I am in Austin, even though I've *never* done anything that would tell them this. So it's not just Google.
That's mainly you letting Location Services track you.
Not a huge deal, or you won't know where your phone & iPad went.
It came in real handy a couple times, and sure enough it showed it right where I left the iPad in a backpack.
It also lets you navigate, which I could care less who's really watching or tracking that nonsense.
I also have Google search built into my TomTom GPS,
being Google Maps are typically 10 years behind when trying to locate a detailed place of business
that was converted to a house 9 years ago.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 8:06 AM (in response to Philscbx)
I've never let Location Services track me. When asked, I always claim NYC. And I don't use GPS.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 8:08 AM (in response to Silkroad)
I set mine when I get to the middle of the lake, and they always show up with beer.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 11:37 AM (in response to Silkroad)
Your IP address will tell you where you are (and is saved the traffic log in all websites), unless you use a proxy to surf. They don't need to use any location service to find out where you surf from.
Facebook can track you down even when you visit a non-FB website. All they need is to put a FB "like" button on their webpage. You don't have to be logged into Facebook to be identified. That is because the "Like" button in any other non-FB website will triggers your facebook cookie to be read (even when you have logged out of FB). FB does not delete your account info from the cookie even when you logge out. It retains all your identifable personal info, so they can send that info to the website who you are visiting instantly via the embedded "Like" button in any webpage.
You don't have to click on any link/button to be identified. All they need is to embed a FB "Like" button in their webpage. That is how FB can tell the advertiser your demographic info to target their ad to you by using FB-plugin to identify you. They even populate your username for you in the comment field automaticaly in any website that uses FB plugins.
So never turn on any plugin if you want privacy, and never surf any website that puts a FB "Like" button in their page.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 11:58 AM (in response to nicoladie)
...Or use the Ghostery Extension.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 1:11 PM (in response to mcbuffy)
Ghostery can block google-analytics, but I don't think it blocks facebook dubious Like button.
Currently Being ModeratedFeb 29, 2012 1:19 PM (in response to nicoladie)
I believe it does block Like. What I have listed in my Ghostery prefs — the FB beasties that Ghostery knows about: Facebook Beacon, Facebook Connect, Facebook Social Plugins. I believe Like is a "beacon." Anyone know for sure?