adobe bridge vs. iphoto

i now use adobe bridge (which acts like 'finder') to view/organize photos because i like to organize them my own way.

can i use iphoto with out "copying" my photos into iphoto? this seems like a huge waste of space.

is there a way to not have iphoto organize my pics for me (like the option for music in itunes)?


a few years ago i tried iphoto and hated the way it organized your actual photos, with huge hierarchical folder trees. i would prefer to not be program dependent for organization.


since i have a macbook pro, an ipad and an iphone - and the icloud is coming this fall, i want to be all prepared and organized for the migration.

is iphoto the way to go?

iPhoto '11, Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jun 28, 2011 10:02 AM

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Jun 28, 2011 11:50 AM in response to cancermonkey68

You can run iPhoto as a referenced library, but it is generally not recommended because it is easy to corrupt iPhoto's database that way.


We don't know that iPhoto will have anything to do with iCloud. I would wait and see.


If Bridge is better for your workflow there is no reason to change. If you want to use iPhoto for a specific project - say a particular book theme - you can always just import the pictures you need.

Jun 28, 2011 12:17 PM in response to cancermonkey68

is iphoto the way to go?

Depends...


Here's the thing: When you say this:


i now use adobe bridge (which acts like 'finder') to view/organize photos because i like to organize them my own way.


...You're not entirely accurate. What you're actually doing is using the Finder to organise the files and then Bridge to view this organisation.


So, I can understand your frustration when you say


i tried iphoto and hated the way it organized your actual photos, with huge hierarchical folder trees.


But it doesn't. Yes it organises files into folders but your files are not your Photos.


iPhoto is designed for people who want to organise their Photos and to take the chore of file management away. How iPhoto organises the files is of no relevance, you do all your work in the iPhoto Window, organising your photos, a job that is done with no reference to the location of the files on the HD. Iphoto tracks the relationship between the two, of course, but does it in the background and is invisible to you.


So, you have to make a small leap: That jpeg file is not your Photo, it's just a container that carries your photo. So forget about the container and, instead, focus on the contents: Your photos.


If you can make that leap you can easily become a contented user of iPhoto. If you can't, then forget about it because you'll never be happy with it.


How the files are stored on the HD is of no relevance, because after importing you never need to access them again (tho' of course, there are ways too - see below). Anything you need to do with your Photos - edit them, email them, upload them, print them, use in other apps, whatever - but literally, anything you can do either with or via iPhoto. You can edit them in iPhoto. You can edit them in Photoshop. You can email with Apple's Mail, or via a Web Browser and the Gmail service. You can easily get your photos into iPhoto and just as easily get them out again. You can get the Original, unedited file you imported, or the edited version of it. Any metadata that you add in iPhoto can be written to the files on export and so on.


(Small caveat: Faces can't be written to the file. There's no protocol for sharing faces on any photo application, made by anyone on any system.)


So, there's no wasted space and yes, you can organise your Photos any way you want.


i would prefer to not be program dependent for organization.

But you always are. Right now you're dependent on a mixture of the Finder and Bridge for it. If they are on a computer then some app is managing them


To your specific question:


A Referenced Library is when iPhoto is NOT copying the files into the iPhoto Library when importing. The files are then stored where ever you put them and not in the Library package. In this scenario you are responsible for the File Management.


This is an attractive option for some users at face value, but it contains a significant number of issues that you might want to consider before making the decision to run a Referenced Library


How to do it:


iPhoto -> Preferences -> Advanced and uncheck the box at 'Copy items to the iPhoto Library'


Now when you import iPhoto makes an alias in the Library Package that points to the stored file. Note: iPhoto still creates a thumbnail of the image and it makes a Preview of edited photos inside the Library Package.


Issues?


1. You are responsible for file management. That's more work:


You must first move the files from your camera to the storage location before importing.


If you want to delete files then you must first trash them from iPhoto and then afterwards find them in your storage and trash them.


Thereafter, you cannot move the files on early versions of iPhoto at all, on iPhoto 08 and later you may move them on the same Volume or Disk. If you move them to a new volume or disk the aliases my break. If they are on an different volume and you move them the aliases will break.


You cannot rename the files.


Migrating: moving to a new machine, moving the files to another disk are all a lot more complex.


2. You gain no extra functionality from running a Referenced Library. Nothing. This is just storage. You still manage the files via iPhoto. You edit them with iPhoto or via iPhoto's External Editor setting, otherwise you're changes will not be available in iPhoto. You don't save byte of storage space.


3. If you have the Library on one volume and the photos on another you if anything changes in the path to a file (Like if you upgrade your machine, move the files on the NAS or on to another one?) then the alias will break, and you'll have to repair it manually. For every photo in the Library. One at a time.


Why do you want to run a Referenced Library?


Because my photos won't fit on my HD?


You can run a Managed library from an external disk. Make sure the drive is formatted Mac OS Extended (Journaled)


1. Quit iPhoto


2. Copy the iPhoto Library from your Pictures Folder to the External Disk.


3. Hold down the option (or alt) key while launching iPhoto. From the resulting menu select 'Choose Library' and navigate to the new location. From that point on this will be the default location of your library.


4. Test the library and when you're sure all is well, trash the one on your internal HD to free up space.


You're worried about accessing the files?


There are many, many ways to access your files in iPhoto: You can use any Open / Attach / Browse dialogue. On the left there's a Media heading, your pics can be accessed there. Command-Click for selecting multiple pics.


User uploaded file



(Note the above illustration is not a Finder Window. It's the dialogue you get when you go File -> Open)


You can access the Library from the New Message Window in Mail:


User uploaded file


There's a similar option in Outlook and many, many other apps. If you use Apple's Mail, Entourage, AOL or Eudora you can email from within iPhoto.


If you use a Cocoa-based Browser such as Safari, you can drag the pics from the iPhoto Window to the Attach window in the browser.


If you want to access the files with iPhoto not running:


For users of 10.6 and later: You can download a free Services component from MacOSXAutomation which will give you access to the iPhoto Library from your Services Menu.


Using the Services Preference Pane you can even create a keyboard shortcut for it.

For Users of 10.4 and 10.5 Create a Media Browser using Automator (takes about 10 seconds) or use this free utility Karelia iMedia Browser


Other options include:



Drag and Drop: Drag a photo from the iPhoto Window to the desktop, there iPhoto will make a full-sized copy of the pic.


File -> Export: Select the files in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Export. The dialogue will give you various options, including altering the format, naming the files and changing the size. Again, producing a copy.


Show File: a. On iPhoto 09 and earlier: Right- (or Control-) Click on a pic and in the resulting dialogue choose 'Show File'. A Finder window will pop open with the file already selected. 3.b.


b: On iPhoto 11 and later: Select one of the affected photos in the iPhoto Window and go File -> Reveal in Finder -> Original. A Finder window will pop open with the file already selected.



You want to edit them in Photoshop and not iPhoto


You can set Photoshop (or any image editor) as an external editor in iPhoto. (Preferences -> General -> Edit Photo: Choose from the Drop Down Menu.) This way, when you double click a pic to edit in iPhoto it will open automatically in Photoshop or your Image Editor, and when you save it it's sent back to iPhoto automatically. This is the only way that edits made in another application will be displayed in iPhoto.


Iphoto is not for everyone, and may well not be for you. But it's not the ogre or dragon that it might seem. If you want to organise you Photos then it's pretty good for the guy with a point and shoot camera. However, if you want to organise files then stick with a file organiser.


My best advice to you:


Create an iPhoto Library. Import 250 pics, and explore.


Regards



TD

Jul 1, 2011 6:58 AM in response to Yer_Man

first off i want to thank keith and terence for your responses!



a little background:



i have about 60gigs on my mbp at this point, and i am very happy with organizing and viewing with bridge. all of my photos are organized exactly the way i like it (ie: separated by events and date).


the ONLY reason that i am considering supplementing or changing to iphoto is because of the ease of sharing between my plethora of apple devices, and some cool iphoto dependent features.


i have helped many a friend/family member to fix the dead end roads that they have ventured down by relying on a program to organize their crap (ie: KODAK EASYSHARE Software, picasa, Microsoft Digital Image Suite, foto-time).


the reason why it was dead end is because when you become program dependent, you can loose your data or have their whereabouts become horribly convoluted because of program related issues (ie: corrupt database). OR the company can completely change the program or discontinue supporting/updating it (see the new apple FCP X).


the way i helped them fix their problems was to install bridge, and have them bite the bullet and intuitively reorganize their photos. one friend who was an amateur photographer cursed me for the 3 days he was at his computer reorganizing, but later, and ever since thanks me.


so terence...



i now use adobe bridge (which acts like 'finder') to view/organize photos because i like to organize them my own way.


...You're not entirely accurate. What you're actually doing is using the Finder to organise the files and then Bridge to view this organisation.


i know its semantics, but, in bridge there is (was?) a preference that you could check that says "bridge acts as finder".


so for me, i am using the GUI of bridge to organize my photos into my computers (finder) normal folder hierarchy. i import photos from my camera via bridge downloader, and it automatically separates the photos into individual dated folders, then i combine like events into one of those folders, rename it (including the date), and delete the extraneous empty folders. the bridge folder hierarchy is exactly the same as the finder, because it actually IS just a different representation of the finder. nothing can get lost or a reference link get broken (unless your actual computer gets screwed up).


User uploaded file

(finder on left, identical hierarchy view of bridge on right)


i guess what i do is what iphoto does automatically?



So, I can understand your frustration when you say


i tried iphoto and hated the way it organized your actual photos, with huge hierarchical folder trees.


But it doesn't. Yes it organises files into folders but your files are not your Photos.



i guess i don't understand this. my "photo" is a jpeg file. does iphoto create a file that references my file?


iPhoto is designed for people who want to organise their Photos and to take the chore of file management away. How iPhoto organises the files is of no relevance, you do all your work in the iPhoto Window, organising your photos, a job that is done with no reference to the location of the files on the HD. Iphoto tracks the relationship between the two, of course, but does it in the background and is invisible to you.


How the files are stored on the HD is of no relevance, because after importing you never need to access them again...


i guess that is my problem. unless you do a referenced library, you have to copy the photos (or directly download using iphoto) into iphoto, and then the program organizes your original files whatever way it does. i realize that this is "laying my burden down", and giving apple the power to organize for me, but there is an inherent danger to doing this.


if the program messes up (as they tend to do), then you are screwed. at work we run into problems like this all the time. but when "links" for archives get screwed, it could mean a boatload of money AND time.


i guess i need to do more research on referenced files (aside from the stuff you guys provided), and do some experimenting on my own.


i'm sure questions will follow.


thanks y'all!!!

Jul 1, 2011 7:27 AM in response to cancermonkey68

Forget about iPhoto, it's not for you.


i guess i don't understand this. my "photo" is a jpeg file.


It's not semantics. It's a key conceptual difference. Your photo is not a jpeg file. No more than that mp3 file is a song, or that Word file is a novel or that spreadsheet is a financial plan.


The Beatles didn't write an mp3 file. They wrote a song. It was recorded and that recording is stored in a file in mp3 format. But the file is not the song.


So, the jpeg is not your photo, it contains the photo, but is not it.


However, if you don't want to work with that distinction, then stick to file organising, which is what you get with the Finder and Bridge.


Regards



TD

Jul 1, 2011 7:39 AM in response to cancermonkey68

No you. as you say, simply do not understand the difference between managing files and managing photos


The only solution to protecting your files is to backup - yes programs, people and computers mess up - that is why you must have good backups (i have two daily and a third off site from time to time)


It you use a referenced library you increase the changes of a mess up caused by you - importing and deleting are more difficult and upgrading or replacing defective hardware is much more difficult - and you still do not have what you want since your original photos will not reflect the work you do in iPhoto - no edits, no metadata changes, no keywords - nothing done in iPhoto will be reflected in your photos


iPhoto is not for everyone and neither is bridge - but trying to use both is a guaranteed disaster and using a referenced library is not a good idea -- Apeature eliminates most of the problems of upgrading or replacing hardware and gives you the integration with other Apple software but you still have the lack of access to your work


LN

Jul 1, 2011 11:54 AM in response to cancermonkey68

I agree with Terence that iPhoto is probably not for you. You can do what I do. I use Media Pro 1 as my primary digital asset management application much like you do with Bridge. I use iPhoto for special projects like books, slideshows, calendars, etc.


I create a new library for each book I make and import the photos I need for it from Media Pro 1. I have a separate library just for calendars. I use the organizational features of MP1, its keywords, categories (like albums in iPhoto) and catalog sets (like folders that can hold photos in iPhoto) to group the photos I need in my iPhoto projects and then drag from my MP1 catalog into iPhoto to import.


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