Jay Eckensberger

Q: complete uninstall of fcp 7 studio

I would like to do a complete uninstall of Final Cut Pro 7 Studio. My intention is to give these install discs to a friend who can then install and register them without problems on the allotted desktop and laptop as provided in the licensing agreement. Is this possible? Please advise.

 

Thanks,

Jay

mac book air, intel iMac, emac G4, Mac OS X (10.6.6)

Posted on Jul 1, 2011 10:36 AM

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  • by Meg The Dog,Helpful

    Meg The Dog Meg The Dog Jul 1, 2011 10:37 AM in response to Jay Eckensberger
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    Jul 1, 2011 10:37 AM in response to Jay Eckensberger
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    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Jul 1, 2011 10:40 AM in response to Jay Eckensberger
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    Jul 1, 2011 10:40 AM in response to Jay Eckensberger

    Since FCP doesn't have its own uninstaller, most people use the free FCS Remover. You may want to call customer service at Apple though. While it wouldn't be on your machine, it is still registered to you. So Apple may still frown on letting someone else use your copy instead of buying their own.

     

    The license does allow for one transfer of the original license to another party. But you are of course then selling it and will not be allowed to install it on your Mac again. Not sure if you need a license transfer form for that. I was going to be looking into that myself fairly soon.

  • by Gary Scotland,Solvedanswer

    Gary Scotland Gary Scotland Jul 1, 2011 12:20 PM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Jul 1, 2011 12:20 PM in response to Kurt Lang

    While it wouldn't be on your machine, it is still registered to you. So Apple may still frown on letting someone else use your copy instead of buying their own.

     

    If the application is removed from the original computer and the original discs and documentation transfered or sold to someone else the OP no londer owns it.

     

    Registration has nothing to do with ownership, registration is for  marketing and software update purposes.

    The new owner can easily register FCP on the web.

  • by Jay Eckensberger,

    Jay Eckensberger Jay Eckensberger Jul 1, 2011 12:25 PM in response to Gary Scotland
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    Jul 1, 2011 12:25 PM in response to Gary Scotland

    Thanks guys - appreciate the prompt responses.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Jul 1, 2011 1:43 PM in response to Gary Scotland
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    Jul 1, 2011 1:43 PM in response to Gary Scotland
    Registration has nothing to do with ownership, registration is for marketing and software update purposes.

     

    No, not always. I've sold a couple of titles that required me to fill out and sign a transfer of ownership form. The buyer then signed and sent it in. To say registration is only for marketing and updates is absurd. Try calling Adobe, Apple or Quark to ask them technical questions about software you've never registered and see how far you get when you can't supply a serial number. And anyone can update illegally installed software. It's the extremely rare updater that tries to determine if the serial number you're using to activate the software has already been registered on other machines.

     

    In this case, no form seems to be necessary. From the FCP license agreement:

     

    3. Transfer. You may not rent, lease, lend, sell, redistribute or sublicense the Apple Software. You may, however, make a one-time permanent transfer of all of your license rights to the Apple Software to another party, provided that: (a) the transfer must include all of the Apple Software, including all its component parts, original media, printed materials and this License; (b) you do not retain any copies of the Apple Software, full or partial, including copies stored on a computer or other storage device; and (c) the party receiving the Apple Software reads and agrees to accept the terms and conditions of this License. All components of the Apple Software are provided as part of a bundle and may not be separated from the bundle and distributed as standalone applications.

     

    It is slightly vague with the one-time permanent transfer line. Does that mean only the original owner can to do the initial transfer to the second owner, and it can't be passed on any further than that? Or is it "one time" from the point of view from whoever legally has the software at the time?

  • by Gary Scotland,

    Gary Scotland Gary Scotland Jul 2, 2011 5:00 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Jul 2, 2011 5:00 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt,

     

    you are confusing a number of different issues here; ownership of the licence, registration, authentication, obtaining updates, the product serial number  and what other manufacturers policies may be.

     

     

    we are talking in this thread specifically about Final Cut Pro Studio 3, not Adobe or Microsoft products or other Apple products.

     

    For FCS 3, registration is completly voluntary, not registering does not prevent someone owning the licence, prevent installing, prevent operating the application, prevent obtaining software updates or prevent obtaining technical support. Registration is therefore used for marketing purposes. Marketing is a very powerful wide ranging initiative, perhaps you dont appreciate what this entails.

     

    For FCS3, registering does not authenticate the software, does not give proof of ownership does not provide the ability  obtain technical support. FCS3  installs and operates properly without registering.

     

    To relinquish ownership of FCS 3 the application is removed form the sellers computer, documentaion and discs must be given to the new owner, that completes the legal transfer. Its up to the new owner whether he registers or not. All the new owner has to do is install the application, there is no need to register to be able to own, install and operate FCS 3

     

     

     

    For technical suport of FCS 3 from Apple, you are not asked for proof of registration of the disc, its proof of  paying for technical support you are asked for,  for a 3rd level technical support enquiry you could be asked for the software key number but not proof of registration.

     

     

     

    your question about ''one time permanent transfer' means a seller can only transfer the licence once to an other person - you cant transfer it again later to an other buyer, that would be theft.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Jul 2, 2011 9:50 AM in response to Gary Scotland
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    Jul 2, 2011 9:50 AM in response to Gary Scotland

    Hi Gary,

     

    I appreciate your input. But I'm not confused. I know this is FCS 3 we're referring to, but different software titles have different licenses. Apple has this page listing the various licenses for their products. That there's more than one means the rules for each software title listed are different. So unless a person were to read through it, you wouldn't know what you can and can't do with a particular title. That it's not Adobe or Microsoft in this case is irrelevant. You still need to read it to find out how a transfer must be done.

    For FCS3, registering does not authenticate the software, does not give proof of ownership does not provide the ability  obtain technical support. FCS3  installs and operates properly without registering.

     

    Yes, I know that. I own it. I can't think of any Apple title that "phones home", as the Windows OS and Office do, to activate a new install. You just need to provide the serial number during installation.

     

    To relinquish ownership of FCS 3 the application is removed form the sellers computer, documentaion and discs must be given to the new owner, that completes the legal transfer. Its up to the new owner whether he registers or not. All the new owner has to do is install the application, there is no need to register to be able to own, install and operate FCS 3.

     

    Yes, but again, until reading the license, that statement would have been a guess. Before I could sell a copies of Macromedia FreeHand MX and Monaco Proof I had, I was required to fill out a transfer of ownership form. I'm just saying it varies from company to company and title to title.

     

    Your question about ''one time permanent transfer' means a seller can only transfer the licence once to an other person - you cant transfer it again later to an other buyer, that would be theft.

     

    Of course a second copy from you to someone else would be theft, but that wasn't the question. As it reads, does it mean:

     

    1) Only the person who originally bought the software is allowed to transfer it to a second owner. And that owner can then not sell or give the software away themselves.

     

    or

     

    2) It's a poor way of saying whoever has the software (the original disks and documentation) can sell or give away the software once. Then that new owner can also do the same once.

     

    I would have to believe the latter, but it can be taken either way.

  • by Gary Scotland,

    Gary Scotland Gary Scotland Jul 2, 2011 11:07 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Jul 2, 2011 11:07 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    That there's more than one means the rules for each software title listed are different. So unless a person were to read through it, you wouldn't know what you can and can't do with a particular title.

     

     

    Thats the whole point, a user must know and understand the licence agreement  they make when installing software, its obvious and understandable that many users dont.

     

     

     

    Of course a second copy from you to someone else would be theft, but that wasn't the question. As it reads, does it mean:

     

    1) Only the person who originally bought the software is allowed to transfer it to a second owner. And that owner can then not sell or give the software away themselves.

     

    or

     

    2) It's a poor way of saying whoever has the software (the original disks and documentation) can sell or give away the software once. Then that new owner can also do the same once.

     

    I would have to believe the latter, but it can be taken either way.

     

     

    It is definitely your item 2

    Its Apple's way of saying you cant transfer the licence more than once to limit the number of single licence transfers. This is a standard limitation manufacturers stipulate in software licencing.