Logic Pro X

ZXC wrote:

No news apart from rare logic updates

Apple usually never post news about forthcoming Logic versions, and the updates aren't rare. There has been 9 Logic versions out since July 2009.

That would be the current version (9) and all incremental updates.

Versions are whole numbers.. 7, 8, 9...etc.

If Apple is following their old blueprint (2 yrs) Logic in now due for another version update.

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I disagree. Some updates bought in bugs and it took them a long while to fix updates.

I know Apple never post news about forthcoming versions but that creates fear. Counter to what they done with their video market giving a preview to FCX, it feels they haven't given their audio department the same respects with logic.

Lion is out now, drivers for new software updated, summer namm gone, 2years have come and gone and no logic. Yes it's due; news? no. Logic boxes still being listed by retailers? Yes, with other apps being dicontinued in box version and part of the apple online ecosystem, bar logic. How do we feel? left in the dark.

It was three years between Logic 7 and Logic 8.

"Counter to what they done with their video market giving a preview to FCX, it feels they haven't given their audio department the same respects with logic."

As a long time Apple/Logic user, I've gotten used to the fact that giving previews of future Logic versions is something that almost never has happened - for a good reason.

Apple is being imitated a lot, and if they have something new and exciting icoming up, the least smart thing they could do is probably to tell everyone months in advance. As soon as Logic users get used to the fact that they work on something without advertising what they are working on, there's no reason to feel left in the dark; it's just the way things usually work with Apple/Logic. I've used Logic since the first release, and the current rate of about 4 sub/releases a year is as good as it ever has been.

"As a long time Apple/Logic user, I've gotten used to the fact that giving previews of future Logic versions is something that almost never has happened - for a good reason."

"I've used Logic since the first release, and the current rate of about 4 sub/releases a year is as good as it ever has been."

If you're happy then that's fine.

Personally, just because something is 'as is' doesn't mean I, nor everybody should settle for it. Even if Apple's audio market is (without beating around the bush, i'll say this in a more direct way) 'use to being negleted', so had the video market and now apple are being quite responsive with previews to the video segment, and reponses to what they will fix/include in future versions which is heresy in the apple world! Tell users about what they will fix!? Well I never.... That's what I want - some communication with the audio customers and regoniction that they are listening/reponding to needs.

They screwed up enough with the recent FCX update so I was hoping they would consult a little more..(now I am beating around the bush as they have never consulted) their proffesional customers who make industry regoncised art using their products.

"east smart thing they could do is probably to tell everyone months in advance."

They did this with FCX. Nearly got it right but didn't consult enough.

What we have to remember is that this isn't a consumer product like the iPhone where a company can dictate how we use thing, this is a very proffesional market that makes a living. This is an industry of people do work in studios day in day out, filmakers that make blockbusters, etc.. They should have a major part in the direction of where things go. It's wrong to think that Logic X should fall from the heavans of Apple and we blindly accept it. There needs to be some sort of partnership with the software makers and industry reponse to move it forward.

Anyway, another day, still no news, and still Logic is being sold in a box.....signs of discontinuation? I hope i'm wrong.

If Logic was going to be discontinued, they wouldn't have spent the time, money, and manpower creating 9.1.5 (or all the versions leading up to it). In contrast, look at Soundtrack Pro which was last updated with version 3.0.1 about two years ago, and very very buggy.

The early preview of FCX was a rare exception to how Apple usually works, and they probably only did it because the new version is such a radical departure from the previous one. They may have also had some idea that some users wouldn't be happy about existing features being missing and thought that the preview would make a good first impression. After release, they have released info about future direction of the app because they absolutely had to - the FCX release had one of the most brutal responses I've ever seen to a software release, with people demanding their money back and looking into switching to other apps. Apple hasn't dropped the ball that bad in years, and they had no choice but to break their usual policy in an effort to avoid losing a significant chunk of their user base.

I wish that Apple was more open with their plans and had more interaction with users, even if this was just an exception in the case of Logic. But I don't see it as a sign of "neglect" for the app nor a sign that discontinuation is imminent. Communication with users and the state of the app itself are two separate things. And while I'd love to see a major update to Logic soon (and I have specific improvements I'd like to see), I think the app is still generally in decent shape compared to other options. If there was an audio app that blew away Logic, I'd switch to it and I'm sure many others would. But like Logic, all the other apps have some great unique features but also have some major annoying flaws. Other companies may have better communication with users, but overall I wouldn't say the software that goes out the door is significantly better, and in spite of the communication there are plenty of features requested by users that never appear, and bugs that don't get fixed.

Mike Connelly wrote:

Tthe FCX release had one of the most brutal responses I've ever seen to a software release, with people demanding their money back and looking into switching to other apps. Apple hasn't dropped the ball that bad in years, and they had no choice but to break their usual policy in an effort to avoid losing a significant chunk of their user base.

No kidding.. the two video editors I work with at the local PBS outlet had the station purchase a copy, I brought some audio tracks over to be used as background for a couple of projects, After the 4th major crash inside of an hour these guys were foaming at the mouth.. for one, It's not Final Cut Pro, only in name, if that wasn't enough, it seems extremely unstable and fiddly. They deemed it unusable for even minor projects... I know they called Apple and complained directly.

I thought audio people were bad, we are polite in the extreme by comparison.

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Logic Pro X will look like Garage Band and you can't open older LP projects anymore but only garage band files 🙂

I'm kidding - hopefully. It's just the fact that I look very critical at everything apple does at the pro sector. Not because I don't trust anyone but rather because I came from the Windows machines to Apple products because of their purchase of Logic back in 2002. It was a odd time. We've invested quite a bit of money into our PC studio computers and then Apple announced end of life for Logic on Windows. Of course a good point from their view, but hard on the PC Logic clients: So either switch to Cubase or to Apple. We decided to switch to apple. I hope that was no bad idea.

Apples major business and income has changed big time through the last years. In the 1990s, Apple was a clear Pro company. Meaning that people who work professionally with computer systems buy Apple products, because they need to rely on them every day. Usually it was the creative guys either on film or music industry. That's why Macs were cool. That's why you always see a Mac whenever some guy sits on a computer in a hollywood movie: Because all the creative Pros used them and loved them. So Apple became cool and a must have.

Apple invents many cool things in the mobile business now and that canges their client range big time. But that's what did other companies before, like Nokia in the 1990s.

I just hope Apple does not forget were much of their fame came from and keeps on developing excellent Pro products with professional support options.

Some food for thought. Of course this is pure speculation, but from what I can see, Apple has updated most of their apps to be Lion compatible (full screen mode, resume and such).

iWork was updated to support Lion's features.

The iLife apps were updated.

Even Aperture was updated.

And of course Final Cut Pro X was built with Lion in mind.

So why hasn't there been a minor Logic update that quickly makes it full screen, resume and auto save capable? After all, Apple pushed out some updates since Lion (9.1.4 and 9.1.5). And it seems these features were easy and quick to implement in their other apps.

I wish to think they are heavily working on the next major version they'll put it into the App Store, with all the extra-Lion features. Maybe there is some old code in there that won't work well with the extra-Lion stuff yet so they're not putting full screen and such into the app until they have the major release ready 😉

We will see. I for my part can't wait to see what Apple has in stock for the next major release.

I thought I read on here that the latest versions do support full screen with Lion. Resume seems like it would be pretty easy to support but auto save could be tricky since saving big Logic sessions can lock up the app for a few seconds.

Anybody see this yet... pretty hopeful

http://www.macrumors.com/

I was actually getting pretty close to folding up and moving back to cubase since it's quite a bit farther ahead. I downloaded the trail version but it seems after not even 4 years I have forgotten a lot about how to work in it. I figured it would be pretty easy and it would be a cheap upgrade to 6 since I had 4 already. Anyway I'm happy to wait and see what's in Logic Pro X, hopefully some cool stuff.

That link I posted above only goes to the first page ... I'm sure it will be irrelevant within a week so I'll throw up the link directly to the aritcle itself which I should have done the first time. No editing posts on this forum it seems. Anyway here is the direct link.

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/07/apple-moving-toward-release-of-logic-pro-x/

Well it's been quite a while now, and Apple did nothing but some compatibility updates to Logic 9 and released it at a huge discount on the AppStore.

My thoughts are that they have learned from the Final Cut Pro X debacle, and don't want to alienate their current Logic userbase, the bulk of which are not really musician-geek songwriters who are drooling at the thought of a cool new Logic Pro update, but rather mundane studios where the negative impact of an early release would horribly outweight any cool features or UI streamlining.

So I think we won't really see Logic Pro X until it's ready to fulfill the requirements of the work-a-day engineers and producers in the industry. Which is, thinking about it, a really good thing, and the way a pro toolmaker should handle their products - unlike what they did with FCPX.

I wish someone would explain me why I collaborate with many pro musicians and producers who use and love Logic.

How come so many pro recording studios use Logic?

Why Logic is currently a software of unprecedented power?

I think Logic needs some improvement, ok, but remains the fact that currently is one of the most powerful and efficient DAWs on the planet.

Making music on this DAW was, is and will be an incredible experience, regardless of "X" version.

In reply to George Bellas who open this debate, I think the same.