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Logic Pro X

Whatever the next incarnation will be titled, I am very excited and quite anxious to see what they've done to Gerhard Lengeling's and Chris Adam's groundwork. The roman numeral X is obviously quite special at the Apple camp, and so, I anticipate some beautifully written new code for the next major release.


I still remember how giddy I was when I unwrapped my futuristic, hardshell case of Logic 2.0. And low and behold, the whopping pleather bound manual that came with it. What great times those were, to call down at the lab and get Dave Smith in just a couple of rings and then have an unreleased floppy quick-fix at my doorstep in 2 days. It has been quite the adventure the past 20 years with this great tool. And quite often I still somehow seem to remind myself that: It's not the ever-growing feature set that makes quality content, it's the mind behind the machine. Don't get me wrong, I am truly grateful and have enjoyed Logic every step of the way. It has allowed me to live a luxurious dream of creating endless imaginative music.


I am confident that what the developer team comes out with next will be nothing short of amazing.


Best wishes to Dr. Gerhard Lengeling, Chris Adam, Marcus Fritz and everyone else on the current team.


I look forward to the unveiling of Logic X.

Posted on Jul 2, 2011 6:13 PM

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User profile for user: Jeje Man
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Jul 3, 2011 11:35 AM in response to George Bellas

Hello and thanks for your post I have been following the Final Cut Pro X Sage even though i am not a Final Cut Pro user and do not work in the video or film industry. The reason for following this saga is simply because rumours are abound on the internet that what has happened to Final Cutwill also happen to Logic Pro


I am really anxious myself about the new incarnation of Logic and i am hoping that it will not be dumbed down like Final Cut pro X was.


I myself i am a logic 7 user. i started using logic in 2007 and i have not upgraded since but i was looking to upgrade this year and when i buy a New Imac which will have the lion OSX on it.


I am in this moment really afraid that if i dont upgrade now i may miss out on many things, if apple dumbs down logic pro x or the new incarnation of Logic. Logic Pro 7 doesnt have mainstage or Sound Pro. i am just afraid the new incarnation of Logic may not have any of these things and they will be deemed seperate applications outside of Logic i am in a limbo at the moment debating within myself may be to upgrade to Logic pro 9 and just dont bother with the new software when it comes out.


I can only now hope Apple would have learnt from the Final Cut Pro X experience and not attempt to repeat the same mistake of final cut pro x in Logic because if Apple doesnt listen many people will jump ship to either the protools or Cubase.

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Jul 5, 2011 7:42 AM in response to Jeje Man

Jeje Man wrote:


Logic Pro 7 doesnt have mainstage or Sound Pro. i am just afraid the new incarnation of Logic may not have any of these things and they will be deemed seperate applications outside of Logic


Mainstage keeps getting updates and seems to be pretty popular, I'd be very surprised if they dumped it. Maybe it will be available with Logic 10, maybe it will be a separate purchase but one way or another it should be released.


Soundtrack pro seems to be dead. It has always been in pretty bad shape with tons of bugs. If you need an app with that functionality I'd look at alternatives from other companies.

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Jul 5, 2011 10:57 AM in response to Jeje Man

The only way the public will find out the release date for the forthcoming Logic is when Apple announces it.


Following suit with Apple's new software sales model, I fully anticipate Logic to become available through the Mac app store, and extra content as an additional after-sale download. And as Mike suggested, I assume that the individual apps that are currently bundled will be broken up for individual sale. Compressor is already being sold separately, so I would think that Mainstage will be too, with Soundtrack quite possibly being scrapped. I'm curious how the utilities (Impulse Response Utility and Apple Loops Utility) will be handled.


With the imminent release of Lion, perhaps there's something looming just around the corner with Logic.

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Jul 6, 2011 1:57 PM in response to Pancenter

While I certainly do appreciate modern software making complex tasks easier, hopefully I'll still be able to choose what notes I want and where I want them. As that skit so humorously pokes fun at. Truthfully, all I really want is blindingly fast performance within a consistently stable environment.


When I got my Powermac 9500 with 32 megabytes of ram running at 200 MHz I thought: "Wow, I'm set, this machine will scream forever." But the sobering reality of it all is: It's a never ending 'catch the tail' scenario, with machines getting more powerful and developers right there milking them for all they've got, plus some.


I have a sneaky suspicion that something is lurking right behind OS X Lion.

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Jul 6, 2011 2:28 PM in response to George Bellas

I think you've made some reasonably good basic points there - when I got my Atari ST 1040 and started using Cubase (MIDI only, obviously) I felt pretty good about it too - it ran in such a rock solid way that I've rarely achieved with more complex operating systems, as Windows and OSX seem to be becoming - all things to all men - never gonna work, that one.


I'm surprised that some Linuxhead who's into music hasn't thought of creating a DAW and the ideal operating system to run it on. Or maybe they have and I don't know about it...

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Jul 6, 2011 3:05 PM in response to chorleyman

chorleyman wrote:


I think you've made some reasonably good basic points there - when I got my Atari ST 1040 and started using Cubase (MIDI only, obviously) I felt pretty good about it too - it ran in such a rock solid way that I've rarely achieved with more complex operating systems, as Windows and OSX seem to be becoming - all things to all men - never gonna work, that one.


I'm surprised that some Linuxhead who's into music hasn't thought of creating a DAW and the ideal operating system to run it on. Or maybe they have and I don't know about it...

Interesting you should mention that.. it's summer here, I can't even go out of the house it's so ******** hot.

So.. I just loaded "Ubunto Studio" on a spare drive, old PC w/single 2.4gHz Athlon processor 2GB RAM.


Must say it's very polished, it also found and loaded drivers for an older RME PCI card and a budget wireless USB stick. There's an Audio only app named Ardour that's Pro Tools like, guess Ardour2 is coming out soon.


I like it, it makes you work a little to record... for me, that's not necessarily a bad thing. I tend to come up with more creative ideas when I'm up against a few obstacles. Personally, I don't always need or want everything at my fingertips.


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Jul 6, 2011 3:27 PM in response to Pancenter

Despite the ease that modern software like Logic puts into the production environment, I still work excruciatingly hard in pulling the best performance out of me that I can possibly achieve. Personally speaking, I don't use any slowing down or audio quantizing techniques in order to capture something I am not capable of. I will instead beat myself up silly with a metronome until I can execute a particular part efficiently and gracefully. But bringing all the creative writing and boundless performances together in Logic is really a dream come true for me. And many moons ago, prior to my Performa 600 running at 33 MHz, it was strictly paper, pencil, notation paper and an unbounded imagination.


Having said all that, I am so excited to see what the Logic developer team presents to us next.

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Jul 6, 2011 3:27 PM in response to Pancenter

Well, I had a go at it a couple of years ago - Ardour and Rosegarden were around then, but obviously, getting the required Linux drivers was a problem at the time as well as the fact that there were plenty of plug-ins that were available for Windows/Mac OS and all the other forms of support... it seemed to be overtaking the main idea about what I 'm trying to do, you know.


Somebody can get a DAW to run with just a basic user interface for file management, like GNOME or KDE, so that's my idea of a good system, when it just works in an immediately responsive and expected way.


Unfortunately its beyond my ability to do it myself, he, he..

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Jul 7, 2011 9:31 AM in response to George Bellas

For those curious about how Logic has evolved throughout the years, here is a mini history of the various Logic versions beginning with Notator leading all the way up to Logic Pro 9. It's so cool to see that old interface. I instantly remember the excitement I had working with these early versions. Such an archaic GUI, yet so familiar.


The History of Logic Pro


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Looking forward to seeing how the above GUI has been transformed into Logic Pro X.

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Jul 7, 2011 10:02 AM in response to George Bellas

Before that there was Dr. Gerhard Lengeling's "Scoretrack" for the Commodore 64, in which the beginnings of the Notator/Logic concept can be seen. This was my setup in 1986-87. Scoretrack as the name implied, came with a dongle that also did some external processing for what was (at the time) a reasonably accurate notation display that could be sent to the printer.. All this on a C64, actually.. a self contained SX-64 lunchbox computer.


Since Apple is involved... I'm guessing the next version of Logic will look more like Garageband Pro than Logic. Hope it has those nice wood side panels.

heh...




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Jul 7, 2011 11:43 AM in response to Pancenter

I've never seen "Scoretrack" before. That is really neat to see though.


I can appreciate that Apple is striving for a streamlined interface, although I certainly hope we don't lose access to Logic's core: The Environment.


I'm curious to know if "Scoretrack" was the very first music program that Dr. Gerhard Lengling released. In the pics posted above I can't see any similarities with Logic. However, a quick glance at "Notator" and one can clearly see Logic as we know it today in its infancy.


It's almost unfathomable what computer systems will be like in 30 years from now; skinned holographic displays, gesture based interactions without touching anything, individual personalities, processing as fast as human thought, etc.


With all these years of evolution I can only imagine how mature and robust Logic Pro X will be.

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Jul 7, 2011 12:14 PM in response to George Bellas

George Bellas wrote:


I've never seen "Scoretrack" before. That is really neat to see though.


I'm curious to know if "Scoretrack" was the very first music program that Dr. Gerhard Lengling released. In the pics posted above I can't see any similarities with Logic. However, a quick glance at "Notator" and one can clearly see Logic as we know it today in its infancy.



Yes, I believe Scoretrack and a sister program (Supertrack) minus the music notation were the first music programs released by Dr. Lengling. The horizontally laid out arrange window that we're used to seeing in Logic was directly lifted from Cubase.


George Bellas wrote:


With all these years of evolution I can only imagine how mature and robust Logic Pro X will be.


So, how long have you worked for Apple?


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