13 Replies Latest reply: Oct 2, 2013 6:11 AM by The hatter
coxorange Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

I'm looking for a Windows software to perform daily incremental backups from my Boot Camp partition to an external USB drive. It should also be possible to restore the COMPLETE Boot Camp partition from that backup in case of a hard drive failure. (It's NOT necessary that various versions of files are kept around-the-clock like Time Machine does. It's also not necessary that the backup itself is bootable.)

 

I've tried Genie TimelIne, but unfortunately it wasn't able to manage a complete restore. The taskbar was missing, no applications were installed (only present), settings were missing after the restore..., so I had to manually install nearly everything.

 

I've heard "Macrium Reflect" should be better. Is this true or does anyone have another good tip?

 

BTW I'm not looking for a solution to backup from the Boot Camp partition to the OS X partition and I don't want to create a complete clone every day.

 

Thanks for your help!


iMac 27, Mac OS X (10.6.8), Kensington Expert Trackball
  • gatortribe Level 2 Level 2 (265 points)
  • coxorange Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    Thanks. Is someone here with personal experience regarding this "EASEUS Todo Backup"...?

  • gatortribe Level 2 Level 2 (265 points)

    Well, on the website I linked, there are review. Also, there are reviews here at http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,80031-order,4/description.html. You just have to click the "User Reviews" tab.

  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,520 points)

    Restore is where most PC backup software will fail - they don't and can't contend with GPT + MBR on the same disk.

     

    Windows 7 can do backups, that is no issue. It can also burn a DVD to restore from when needed, and there is Windows Easy Transfer (one time).

     

    Hard Disk Manager Suite 2011

    Paragon Software for Mac

  • coxorange Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    Thanks for your answer.

    Restore is where most PC backup software will fail - they don't and can't contend with GPT + MBR on the same disk.

     

    Would Paragon Backup & Recovery 10 Suite (you linked to Paragon Software for Mac) also fail? (... though I can't find information if it would do incremental backups!)

     

    Windows 7 can do backups, that is no issue. It can also burn a DVD to restore from when needed, and there is Windows Easy Transfer (one time).

     

    As far as I understood Windows can only do incremental backups of files & folders (data) but such a backup can never include the entire partition. Alternatively it can backup an image of the entire partition. Both is not what I would need. (Or did you think of a combination of both?)

  • coxorange Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    Hi hatter,

     

    Do you know if Paragon Backup & Recovery 10 Suite would also fail?

     

    (Or does anyone know another alternative?)

     

    Thanks.

  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,520 points)

    They offer fully functional demo.

     

    I think you are confusing partition and drives.

     

    Even Windows 7 has its own data backup.

  • coxorange Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    The hatter wrote:

    I think you are confusing partition and drives.

    A bit difficult to test such a software including worst case recovery if you can't dispense with the concerned computer temporarily. And VERY time-consuming!! Hence I asked for personal experiences.

    The hatter wrote:

    I think you are confusing partition and drives.

    What do you mean I'm confusing?

    I always wrote about the Boot Camp partition.

    The hatter wrote:

    Even Windows 7 has its own data backup.

    As far as I know that's not enough to perform incremental backups including EVERYTHING on the Boot Camp partition.

  • coxorange Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    I still haven't found the right software!

     

    I understand that the full recovery feature is the problem.

     

    It would be fine if someone could reply.

     

    The hatter wrote:

    Even Windows 7 has its own data backup.

     

    What is your understanding of "data backup"?

     

    Is anyone using "Altaro Oops! Backup" or "Macrium Reflect"?

     

    Thanks again for any help!


  • Contradel Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    No perfect solution, but here is my take on it:

     

    • Use Time Machine for backing up OSX.
    • Using Winclone (will cost you a bit of money) to backup Windows about once a week or so, keeping a "Golden backup" which is taken after Windows install with everything up and running, and then maybe just keeping the latest two.
    • Keeping ALL personal files inside Dropbox, there's plenty of free ways to upgrade your storage, and if you're a student you can sometimes get 20-40GB for free for your study time. Dropbox is free and will syncronize flawlessly across OSX, Windows, Linux, iOS, Android... you name it. Free version even has 30 days of versioning.
    • Alternatively combine it with Google Drive or Skydrive for even more free backup.

     

    Would agree a Time Machine implementation which could backup both drives incrementally would be a killer.

  • GeekBoy.from.Illinois Level 4 Level 4 (2,800 points)

    coxorange wrote:


    A bit difficult to test such a software including worst case recovery if you can't dispense with the concerned computer temporarily. And VERY time-consuming!! Hence I asked for personal experiences.


    Well,  Anyone elses personal experience won't mean much to you unless they have the same setup as you, so asking others for personal experience is as much of a crap shoot for you as doing it yourself.  I went through lots of testing several years ago on my first MacBook Pro, but almost none of that testing is valid for my current machine.  With the variations in machines, and machine configurations, what works for someone else might not work for you, and what might work for you might not work for someone else.  I learned this when I was testing Colnexzilla as a possible backup/cloning tool.  It worked fine on my MacBook Pro, but wouldn't work properly for a number of other users.

     

    coxorange wrote:

     

    What do you mean I'm confusing?

    I always wrote about the Boot Camp partition.

     

    I agree that what you are asking for seems rather confusing.  You talk about backing up your data on your Windows partition, and you talk about performing incremental backups.  The WIndows 7 Data backup utility it perfect for tasks like that.  It's when you start wanting to perform disk image backups, and then ontop of that perform incremental image backups of your Windows partition that things get challenging and confusing.  Since you aren't clear about what scheme you want to use, it is hard to answer with a "clear answer" and not get confused by what you seem to be asking.

    coxorange wrote:

     

    As far as I know that's not enough to perform incremental backups including EVERYTHING on the Boot Camp partition.

    If you use the Windows 7 data backup and perform incremental backups, you will have a backiup of all your data from the Windows partition.  Isn't that want you want?  If you want to perform a restore, it will not restore you back to a bootable drive, but it will have all your data and files backed up.  If you want to perform a partition backup image, and make those backups incremental nightly, it might be possible.  Since you are talking about a Boot Camp partition on a Mac here, you also need to clarify if you want this backup to run when teh system is booted into Windows, or when teh system is runnign MacOS, or ifit is acceptable to boot from yet another media for the backup purposes. 

     

    At this time, I'm not sure that any software exists which can make backup image of your Boot Camp/Windows partition when runnign MacOS that will make a backup image that cna restore to a bootable volume and can do incremental backups.  There are few, if any backup tools that will run runder native Windows on your Boot Camp partition that will make an image file backup that can do incremental backups, and also allow you to restore to a bootable partition.  I beleive that the Paragon software is one of the very few that can do this.  I have tried and successfully made backupns and restores from backup disk images using custom boot drives for CloneZilla, and the Paragon Drive Backup tool.  I don't believe that CloneZilla will do inremental backups, and I'm not sure about the Paragon software as I stopped using Boot Camp about 1.5 years ago when I upgraded to my current MacBook Pro.  Now with this system, I don't run native Windows, I only run it virtualized using Parallels Desktop and VMWare Fusion.  For both of those, I get a full system backup with each MacOS backup I take, since the Windows File System is virtualized and stored entirely in files on my MacOS partition.

  • coxorange Level 1 Level 1 (40 points)

    Many thanks Contradel & GeekBoy for your answers/ideas regarding my questions of 2 years ago. I still have Windows installed on my Boot Camp partition, though I use it very rarely only so that a WinClone image is sufficient at the moment. Thanks again and maybe your answers help others too.

  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,520 points)

    Paragon Software "Clone OS to SSD" works but restore to a dual boot single drive does not.

     

    Windows has its own system image restore, File History (8.0+) and there are programs that will image an entire drive - Mac and Windows - like Clonzilla I believe (been awhile) and others.