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Mitchell Rose Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

For a while.


I was just talking to a Genius at the Apple Store and saying that I was planning to buy a new Mac Pro in a month or two. By then they'll have Lion installed. And I said that I planned to install Leopard on it so that I could install FCS... and then put Lion back on. He said WE WON'T BE ABLE TO INSTALL LEOPARD on new machines. There won't be the drivers for it.


In other words, if you are hoping to run Final Cut Studio, this is your last Mac.

  • 1. Re: Your Last Mac
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    FCP 7 works on Lion...

  • 2. Re: Your Last Mac
    Mitchell Rose Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    My understanding -- and I certainly hope it isn't true -- is that FCP7 works on Lion but only if it was installed under Leopard and then  upgraded to Lion.  That FCP7 can't be installed directly into Lion because of Lion's  lack of Rosetta.

  • 3. Re: Your Last Mac
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    That doesn't make any sense.  Because FCP 7 doesn't run under Rosetta.  It's a native OSX app.  Rosetta is for those older apps that were non-intel based.  FCP has been Intel ready since 5.1...

  • 4. Re: Your Last Mac
    mark133 Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    The only question that matters is if Lion and FCPX have the same capabilities as FCP7. If someone wants to keep their older machine with FCP7 instead of moving on to FCPX, who cares (as long as they truly have the same capabilities)?

     

    I'm still upset that I can't play 'Adventure' on my Atari.

  • 5. Re: Your Last Mac
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    >The only question that matters is if Lion and FCPX have the same capabilities as FCP7.

     

    And it doesn't.  But, it would be nice to have a NEW machine with faster processors to run it. It would be nice if Lion played nice with FCP 7.  Barring that, it would be nice if the new machines ran Snow Leopard...but, alas, with Apple's record, all new machines ONLY work with latest OS that is out at the time of release.  Which is why a lot of pros end up getting earlier models.

  • 6. Re: Your Last Mac
    Phone Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)
    That doesn't make any sense.  Because FCP 7 doesn't run under Rosetta.  It's a native OSX app.  Rosetta is for those older apps that were non-intel based.  FCP has been Intel ready since 5.1...

     

    It makes perfect sense, Shane. Because even though FCS is Intel-only the installer is Power PC which, as you know, requires Rosetta.

     

    regards,

  • 7. Re: Your Last Mac
    Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (41,895 points)

    I didn't know the installer was PowerPC based.  Oh how stupid...

  • 8. Re: Your Last Mac
    Mitchell Rose Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    Yes, that was my understanding and why I posted this -- that it's the installer that needs Rosetta.  This is gonna get ugly.

  • 9. Re: Your Last Mac
    Jon Chappell Level 5 Level 5 (4,000 points)

    The FCS2 installer has a background app (I think it's for the licensing system) that requires Rosetta. All components of the FCS3 installer are compiled for Intel computers so this isn't an issue.

  • 10. Re: Your Last Mac
    Dirk Williams Level 1 Level 1 (85 points)

    "Genius at the Apple Store"

     

    Isn't that an oxymoron?

  • 11. Re: Your Last Mac
    BenB Level 5 Level 5 (7,825 points)

    No, totally untrue.  The installer for Final Cut Studio 3 is NOT PowerPC, it is native Intel.  It won't even install on PowerPC Macs!  The "installer" is in no way shape or form PowerPC based.  Who ever told you that is a moron.  If it were true, how did I install it in  Snow Leopard with no Rosetta installed?

     

    I do a ton of consulting and training, and can assure you that every Apple retail store person who talks about Final Cut has no clue what they'er talking about.  I've had lots of Apple retailt store former employees come into my classes, say they were FCP "trainers" in the store (so why are you in my class?), and half way through the first day are totally blown away by what they don't know, and are misinformed about.

     

    "Genius at the Apple Store" only applies to iLife, not pro apps.  They are not pros, leave pro apps to us pros.

     

    Buy a new Mac with Lion on it, install Final Cut Studio 3, then install FCP X, no problems.  Just be sure to launch Motion 4 BEFORE you launch any other Final Cut app once the installs are done.  Then you'll be fine.

     

    "The installer is PowerPC based."  What brain dead idiot told you that?  Totally false.  In fact, I know someone running Lion (dev beta) on a MBP and has FCS3 and FCPX running side by side just fine.  The install was just fine.

     

    FCP 7 will run perfectly fine in Lion, Apple has verified that publicly, period.

  • 12. Re: Your Last Mac
    JimKells Level 2 Level 2 (335 points)

    So to follow on from Jon .. As FCS2 needs Rosetta then folks like me who bought the full FCS2 and the Upgrade FCS3 will not be able to install on Lion OS MAC Pro's ? That said I think the full install for FCS3 is on the Upgrade DVD's it just needs both my FCS2 and FCS3 keys. So can anyone answer .. will that install .. FCPX may well be fine but I am an independent with working 'workflow's' and not keen to move just yet. I will buy it, but not just now ..I want to wait and see what happens with MultiCam and so on..

     

    Jim

  • 13. Re: Your Last Mac
    BenB Level 5 Level 5 (7,825 points)

    "As FCS2 needs Rosetta then folks like me who bought the full FCS2 and the Upgrade FCS3 will not be able to install on Lion OS MAC Pro's ?"

     

    OK, you only run the FCS3 installer, and IF it's an "update" version, will ask for the FCS2 serial number, punch it in, install, simple as that.  It's not all that complicated.

     

    I'm just wondering how my friends with FCS2 installed it on Snow Leopard Intel Macs that don't have Rosetta installed?

  • 14. Re: Your Last Mac
    JimKells Level 2 Level 2 (335 points)

    BenB, Many thanks .. I had hoped that but good to have it from someone who knows what they are talking about before I spend even more money :-)

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