Wifi extension: TC Dualband - Powerline - Netgear Access Point vs. to Airport Extreme

Hi


I want to extend wifi range in my house and have not really been very successful with Airport Expresses set up as repeaters (bandwith drops almost to unusable rates), so I am looking for an alternative, which I would like your opinion on:


Airport TC is my "home base router".


I would connect the TC to a Powerline Adapter and on the other side of the house, I would


1) set up an Airport Express (Dual Band) linked to a Powerline Adapter as WDS or Access Point


or


2) set up a Netgear Access Point linked to the Powerline Adapter.


My questions:


a) Would any of the two options significantly increase the bandwidth on the other side of the house compared to my current problems with AE set up as repeaters?

b) If yes, which of the options is preferable? The Netgear option would probably be the cheaper one, but it does not have dual band, so that might also be an argument.


Thanks for your opinions on this

Macbook Pro 17, Mac OS X (10.6.4)

Posted on Jul 12, 2011 11:26 PM

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Jul 13, 2011 4:59 AM in response to man-ngai

which of the options is preferable? The Netgear option would probably be the cheaper one, but it does not have dual band, so that might also be an argument.

The AirPort Express that you mention in your post is not a simultaneous dual band device. It can produce a wireless signal using the 2.4 GHz band....or.....the 5 GHz band, but not both simultaneously.


If you need to have the extender at the other end of the house provide simultaneous dual band services, you will need to use an AirPort Extreme....not an AirPort Express.


Please confirm on which device you have and we can proceed from there.


By the way, you would not use WDS on the Apple device that acts as the extender. The AirPort router would be configured to "Create a wireless network" using the exact same wireless network name, security, and password as your TC wireless network. In addition, the AirPort must must be configured in Bridge Mode to operate correctly on the network.

Jul 13, 2011 6:06 AM in response to Bob Timmons

Hello Bob


Indeed, my mistake, I meant an Airport Extreme Basestation.

Airport Express are what I am using currently as repeaters.


In the meantime I have read another 500 articles and have decided to try out the Airport Extreme alternative. Apparently this helps avoiding roaming errors when moving around the house.


I will connect the TC with the Exteme via Powerline and then see if this improves data throughput at the other end of the house (where the Extreme will me).

No idea if it'll work but I'll give it a shot.


Will I need to set up the Extreme as an own network and connect the powerline to an ethernet port in my TC? Same SSID and Channel like you said for this option?


Thanks

Jul 13, 2011 6:24 AM in response to man-ngai

Thanks for the clarification. Here is how to configure the AirPort Extreme (AEBS):


First, it would be a good idea to perform a Factory Default Reset and clear out any old and possibly conflicting settings that exist on the AEBS.


Pull the power plug from the back of the AEBS

Hold in the reset button on the back of the AEBS and keep hoiding it in while you plug the power back in to the AEBS

Continue holding the reset button for 8-10 seconds and then release and let the AEBS restart to a slow, blinking amber light


Connect the Ethernet cable from the powerline adapter to the WAN port (circle of dots icon) on the AEBS


Open AirPort Utility and click Manual Setup


Click the Base Station tab located just below the row of icons to assign a name to the AEBS, device password, and adjust Time Zone settings


Click the Wireless tab. Settings should look like this. (You may need to check some settings on the TC to get the correct info)


Wireless Mode = Create a wireless network

Wireless Network Name = Same name as the TC wireless network

No check mark needed next to Allow this network to be extended

Radio Mode = Automatic

Radio Channel = Automatic

Wireless Security = Same setting as the TC network

Wireless Password = Same password as the TC network

Confirm Password


Click the Internet icon


Connect Using = Ethernet

Connection Sharing = Off (Bridge Mode)


Click Update to save settings and let the AEBS restart to a green light


Then, power down your entire network...all devices...order is not important

Power up the powerline adapters

Power up the modem and let it run a moment by itself

Power up the TC the same way

Power up the AEBS the same way

Power up each other device one at a time


Check for proper network operation

Jul 13, 2011 7:47 AM in response to man-ngai

Many thanks, will try this out as soon as my orders have been delivered. Expect the postman to ring my doorbell tomorrow.


Two more questions


1-do you expect throughput to be higher than before?

2-isn't my wan socket at the back if the TC connected to my cable modem? ... Thought so, so I would have looked into using any of the unused ethernet ports to connect to the powerline adapters...?

Jul 13, 2011 8:03 AM in response to man-ngai

do you expect throughput to be higher than before?

The throughput will be limited by the available bandwidth of the power line adapters. I couldn't find anything about their capabilities in your post, nor do you mention any specifics about the bandwidth that the network was providing when you were extending using wireless only.


My experience is that most adapters will provide about half of their advertised performance, so if you have 80 Mpbs adapters, I would expect the actual bandwidth to fall in the 40-45 Mpbs range on your local network.


If you are measuring Internet connection speed, then your bandwidth will limited to your service plan with your provider. So, if you have a 10 Mbps plan and you test the Internet connection speed at the remote AirPort location, I would expect to see something in the range of 6-7 Mpbs, maybe a bit higher.


An Ethernet cable will maintain full bandwidth, but of course you have to run the cable through the house.


isn't my wan socket at the back if the TC connected to my cable modem

Yes


so I would have looked into using any of the unused ethernet ports to connect to the powerline adapters

That's correct. You will connect a short Ethernet cable from one of the three LAN <-> ports on the TC to the power line adapter.


At the other end, you will connect a short Ethernet cable from the power line adapter to the WAN port on the AirPort. If you would rather connect to a LAN port here, that is OK since all of the ports behave the same when the AirPort is in Bridge Mode.

Jul 14, 2011 1:19 PM in response to man-ngai

Question: Why do I need to configure the AEBS as an extension to the same channel and network name of the TC? Wouldn't this be irrelevant because of roaming?

If you check my step by step above, you will note that I specified that the Radio Channel should be set to Automatic. The AEBS will be on a different channel than the TC in this setting.


You could set the channels manually so that they were at least 3-4 channels apart, but how would you know which channels to choose? You might inadvertently choose a channel that might interfere with your network.


My recommendation is to let the AEBS and TC choose the channels automatically by scanning to find the best available channel.


The AEBS and TC must both use the same wireless network name in a "roaming" configuration. If they didn't, you would have two separate networks and you would have to log on to each one separately. I don't think you want that.


If you use the same wireless network name, then your computer will automatically choose the best access point based on its location as it moves around the house.

Jul 14, 2011 1:22 PM in response to Bob Timmons

I need to and have set the TC to fixed channels, because I have so many interfering neighbouring channels that the automatic funtion did not work properly.


So my question is:


Under the prerequisite that the TC is set to fixed channels for 2,4 Ghz and 5 Ghz, would I need the AEBS (as an extender) to:


- use the same channels as the TC

- use different channels as the TC

or

- would it need to be set to automatic?


Seeing as the TC channels need to stay the way they are due to neighbours

Jul 14, 2011 1:49 PM in response to man-ngai

Yes. It sounds like you are confused on the difference between an "extended network" and a "roaming network"


An "extended" network uses a wireless connection between the two devices, and the channels are set to the same setting. SSID is the same on both. Because the devices must communicate using wireless only, there is always some bandwidth loss...usually 10-20% on average....using this type of setup.


A "roaming" network uses an Ethernet connection between the two devices. The channels are set to different settings...at least 3-4 channels or more apart. SSID is the same on both. Because both devices connect using Ethernet, full bandwidth is maintained on the network. That is why this type of network is used in better installations and almost any type of commercial network.

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