ProRes 422 (LT) to HD Export?

I need to Export a 3 minute film from ProRes 422 (LT) to be able to burn to a PAL HD disc. I know this is a bit of a silly thing to do, but it's what my client wants so it's what he shall get!😕


Am I correct in the following workflow to export a 3 minute project so he can then burn it to an HD disc (PAL)?


* From FCP 7 Export as QT Movie


* In Compressor Import the QT Movie


* Use either MPEG 2 or H.264.


Now the bit I'm confused about is should I MANUALLY change the default NTSC setting to Pal? Or will compressor do this for me as my QT Movie was exported with Current Settings?


Thanks

Alpesh

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Posted on Jul 18, 2011 12:15 PM

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Jul 18, 2011 9:36 PM in response to A1ps

You don't spell out the format of your timeline, but since you want to output to H.264, I'll assume it's some standard HD format.


If it is HD, I don't get where the NTSC/PAL concerns come from. If you output the timeline using "Make QuickTime Movie at current settings, you should have the format you want. Take that into Compressor and transcode to H.264 using the same dimensions and framerate. Take that to your authoring system and do whatever it is that one does to make an HD disk. NTSC/PAL sohouldn't come into it.

Jul 18, 2011 9:42 PM in response to A1ps

What kind of PAL HD disk? The Apple HD preset is dead... it will ONLY play on Mac computers... It will not play on a DVD player. for an HD disk you need to burn a BluRay disk... There is an option to burn a BluRay directly from FCP or Compressor, but if you have Toast, I hear that does a better job... Oh and you need a BluRay Burner...


There is a way to burn a bluray compatible HD disk as long as the blueray player is able to play AVCHD disks...

But it is limited to a certain amount of time...

Jul 19, 2011 2:52 PM in response to RatVega™

Sorry guys. I forgot to mention; The original files are AVCHD, which I imported into FCP 7 as PR422(LT).


I now want to Export the project from FCP 7 so my client can burn to Blu Ray. He wants the frame size to be 1920 X 1080.


RatVega, is H.264 the best format to use? Or would MPEG 2 be better?


Also, can I just Export direct from FCP by Exporting as Quicktime Conversion, and select H.264 and change the Size to 1920 X 1080? Or is the Compressor method the best way?

Jul 20, 2011 1:47 PM in response to A1ps

Both formats will work, but IMHO H.264 is superior.


It is possible to export the timeline "as Quicktime Movie" or "as Quicktime Conversion" and select the H.264 codec, but I'd discourage it for workflow reasons. I like having a "highest quality" QT file as timeline output prior to any encoding. On the long list of things that can go wrong and slow down/screw up your project, "QuickTime output mysteriously corrupted" is waaaay down the list. I've had most of the others, especially the stupid ones... 😀

And I have found stand-alone Compressor to offer the greatest flexibility.

Jul 30, 2011 4:55 AM in response to RatVega™

Thanks RatVega. I've just given my client to versions of the project. Now just waiting for him to come back and ask for something else 👿


Oh, one last thing... I'm editing in PR 422 (LT). Would the HD/Blu Ray DVD of very bad quality?


If in future I want to burn to Blu Ray, what would be the ideal format to edit in? The original source files are AVCHD.

Jul 31, 2011 2:56 PM in response to A1ps

I've never worked with LT, but ProRes is a "lossless" codec, so unless you see quality issues in the timeline you should be fine. If there's any doubt in your mind, step up to standard ProRes 422.


As to the Blu-ray question, I have some personal "issues" with Blu-ray (how we got to it, the way it's been implemented, etc.) and will not work with it. So I've never done an analysis of the options and their quality. That said, my personal belief is that H.264 (a.k.a AVCHD) is a very good codec, and if I was driven at gunpoint to a large pile of money surrounding a Blu-ray project, it's what I'd go with. 😀

Aug 5, 2011 10:21 AM in response to A1ps

The part you don't understand is the ProRes "lineup":


PR 4444 is mainly for very high end work like 4K, especially where an alpha channel is involved.


PR 422 (HQ) is a very high quality codec for 2K and 4K, probably footage that will be presented theatrically.


PR 422 is a high quality codec suitable for pretty much any HD that isn't going out to film or slated for presentation on theater-sized screens.


PR 422 (LT) is visually quite close to PR 422 but is about 40% smaller. It is a good choice for most projects shot with 1080 and 720 "prosumer" cameras and slated for optical disc or web release. My personal advice is to compare your PR 422 (LT) footage and the same clip in PR 422. If you feel there is a visual difference then go ahead and upgrade, but in most cases there's no detectable difference.


PR 422 (Proxy) is the "low quality to edit with" codec. It is intended for projects that will be conformed (re-linked to the original high quality footage. PR 422 (Proxy) is not intended to be output as a final QT clip.


So yes, you're being silly again 😝 Now get back to work!

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