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  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,140 points)

    Can we just agree to let the dead rest in peace? Maybe let's have a new community rule that no one can post a message about Rosetta in Lion except on Halloween.

  • cathy fasano Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    Well, sure, etresoft, as long as we include among "the dead" Apple's market in enterprise and education.  And my career working on macs.

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (26,140 points)

    Any enterprise or education customers who haven't updated their critical software since 2006 are probably already dead.

  • MichaelLAX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/16247806#16247806

     

    Lion+Snow_Leopard_in_Parallels.jpg

    Larry Schultz wrote:

     

    ...Can you point me to someone who has successfully installed Snow Leopard into VM Fusion or Parrallels running on Lion? This is not a "challenge," I'd just like to know positively it can be done legally before I move to Lion.

  • Asatoran Level 4 Level 4 (2,535 points)

    MichaelLAX wrote:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/16247806#16247806

     

     

    Larry Schultz wrote:

     

    ...Can you point me to someone who has successfully installed Snow Leopard into VM Fusion or Parrallels running on Lion? This is not a "challenge," I'd just like to know positively it can be done legally before I move to Lion.

    But it was also asked if it can be done legally.  Parallels states in their KB article 112323:

     

     

    Leopard nor Snow Leopard are not supported to be run on Parallels Desktop virtual machines. That is prohibited by Apple's licensing policy.

     

    You may have misread the system requirements.

     

    For instance, if we look at Parallels Desktop 7 for Mac System Requirements, we can see that among non-server Mac operating systems only Lion can be installed as guest OS. Note the Server words in the below list:

     

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  • MichaelLAX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Asatoran wrote:

     

    MichaelLAX wrote:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/16247806#16247806

     

     

    Larry Schultz wrote:

     

    ...Can you point me to someone who has successfully installed Snow Leopard into VM Fusion or Parrallels running on Lion? This is not a "challenge," I'd just like to know positively it can be done legally before I move to Lion.

    But it was also asked if it can be done legally.  Parallels states in their KB article 112323...

    He asked one question, and I answered it.

     

    He then stated additional information that he would like to know. I charge extra for legal opinions; apparently you do it for free...

  • Asatoran Level 4 Level 4 (2,535 points)

    MichaelLAX wrote:

     

    Asatoran wrote:

     

    MichaelLAX wrote:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/16247806#16247806

     

     

    Larry Schultz wrote:

     

    ...Can you point me to someone who has successfully installed Snow Leopard into VM Fusion or Parrallels running on Lion? This is not a "challenge," I'd just like to know positively it can be done legally before I move to Lion.

    But it was also asked if it can be done legally.  Parallels states in their KB article 112323...

    He asked one question, and I answered it.

     

    He then stated additional information that he would like to know. I charge extra for legal opinions; apparently you do it for free...

     

    No pro bono work from you, it would seem.  If you're going to infer upon your legal expertise, then the additional info about doing things legally should have been a red flag for you, and that you ignore red flag imples things about your legal expertise.

  • MichaelLAX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    FULL DISCLOSURE:  I own an iPhone and I use it on the T-Mobile network in the USA.

    Asatoran wrote:

     

    MichaelLAX wrote:

     

    Asatoran wrote:

     

    MichaelLAX wrote:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/16247806#16247806

     

     

    Larry Schultz wrote:

     

    ...Can you point me to someone who has successfully installed Snow Leopard into VM Fusion or Parrallels running on Lion? This is not a "challenge," I'd just like to know positively it can be done legally before I move to Lion.

    But it was also asked if it can be done legally.  Parallels states in their KB article 112323...

    He asked one question, and I answered it.

     

    He then stated additional information that he would like to know. I charge extra for legal opinions; apparently you do it for free...

     

    No pro bono work from you, it would seem.  If you're going to infer upon your legal expertise, then the additional info about doing things legally should have been a red flag for you, and that you ignore red flag imples things about your legal expertise.

  • Asatoran Level 4 Level 4 (2,535 points)

    MichaelLAX wrote:

     

    FULL DISCLOSURE:  I own an iPhone and I use it on the T-Mobile network in the USA.

    And your point?  Using an iPhone on the T-Mobile USA network is not illegal, particularly now that Apple sells unlocked iPhones.

     

    And that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, including the part that you edited out (which was not illegal anyway, so there still was no point in your posting it.)

     

    See you in court, counselor.

  • MichaelLAX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Asatoran wrote:

     

    No pro bono work from you, it would seem.  If you're going to infer upon your legal expertise, then the additional info about doing things legally should have been a red flag for you, and that you ignore red flag imples things about your legal expertise.

    OK, Asatoran, let's have at it!

     

    Section 2 of the Snow Leopard EULA states (in part): "you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at a time."

     

    I purchased a new July 2011 Mac Mini with Lion installed; I did not purchase a Lion upgrade of my Snow Leopard on my MacBook Pro.

     

    I also purchased another copy of the Snow Leopard installation DVD with the intention of upgrading my old Mac Mini, which continues to run Leopard, not Snow Leopard; hence I have an unused copy of the Snow Leopard installation DVD.

     

    How does my implimentation of running Snow Leopard on Parallels 7 within Lion on my new Mac Mini violate the EULA?

     

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  • Asatoran Level 4 Level 4 (2,535 points)

    How does my implimentation of running Snow Leopard on Parallels 7 within Lion on my new Mac Mini violate the EULA?

     

     

    You apparently have not read through the thread:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/16237492#16237492

     

     

    And not replies to your post:

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/message/16261206#16261206

     

    ...Parallels states in their KB article 112323:

     

    Leopard nor Snow Leopard are not supported to be run on Parallels Desktop virtual machines. That is prohibited by Apple's licensing policy.

     

    You may have misread the system requirements.

     

    For instance, if we look at Parallels Desktop 7 for Mac System Requirements, we can see that among non-server Mac operating systems only Lion can be installed as guest OS. Note the Server words in the below list:...

     

    So it is in fact Parallels that is telling you that you can't do that (legally anyway.)

     

    But if you install Snow Leopard Server in the virtual machine, that is perfectly legal.  That is in fact what I do in a VMware Fusion virtual machine.

  • MichaelLAX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    BUZZZZZ!  I'm sorry, but you did not answer my question. 

     

    The TOPIC is "Will Apple allow us to run Snow Leopard in a virtual environment??"

     

    So I repeat:

     

    How does my implimentation of running Snow Leopard on Parallels 7 within Lion on my new Mac Mini violate the EULA?

     

    HINT: That Parallels article may refer to a different fact situation and now be incorrect in this situation.

  • Asatoran Level 4 Level 4 (2,535 points)

    MichaelLAX wrote:

     

    BUZZZZZ!  I'm sorry, but you did not answer my question. 

     

    The TOPIC is "Will Apple allow us to run Snow Leopard in a virtual environment??"

     

    So I repeat:

     

    How does my implimentation of running Snow Leopard on Parallels 7 within Lion on my new Mac Mini violate the EULA?

     

    HINT: That Parallels article may refer to a different fact situation and now be incorrect in this situation.

     

    ...Parallels states in their KB article 112323:

     

    Leopard nor Snow Leopard are not supported to be run on Parallels Desktop virtual machines. That is prohibited by Apple's licensing policy.

     

     

    Since you do are not able to read that it is Parallels that is telling you that it is a violation of Apple's EULA, then I have to question your ability to understand anything else that will follow.  You can claim all you want, and I would encourage you to actually file a suit against Apple, Parallels and VMware to have the matter clarified.  Because again, you appear to be too dense to understand that arguing with me, someone who has already stated that I do not fully agree with Parallel's & VMware's interpretation of the EULA, is counter productive.  (IOW, I am on your side as far as OSX's EULA is concerned, but you want to make an enemy of me.  But if you had read through the thread first, you would have known this.)

     

    So if you think you are a better lawyer that what Parallels and VMware have hired, go right ahead and file a suit.  Why bother wasting your energy fighting me, someone who agrees with your position?  If you win against me, that will change Parallel's and VMware's interpretation?  I didn't know I was that special. 

  • MichaelLAX Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Asatoran:

     

    Your knowledge of computers is obviously very broad. 

     

    I am sorry if you wish to continue your personal attack on me, and consequently this will be my last post with you on this subject:

     

    1.  You continue to fail to answer my question; how my factual situation violates Apple's EULA.  A broad statement made by employees on a technical support knowledgebase is not necessarily a statement by that company's lawyers.

     

    2.  I do not care whose side you are on; your opinion is also irrelevant to my question.

     

    3.  Last time I checked, I do not have to file a lawsuit to continue conduct that does not violate Apple's EULA.

     

    The source of my "attitude" against you was your original unwarranted attack on me personally in an earlier post.

     

    Best of luck to you!

  • Asatoran Level 4 Level 4 (2,535 points)

    You are most humorous.  You still fail to read exactly where I answered your questions, as I said you would.  You only see attack because you do not appear to accept that you could be wrong.  Since you refuse to read (or you really are that unable to comprend what you read,) thus you refuse to understand and continue the antagonism, I will concur with your inference to discontinue our part of the discussion. 

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