Logic Pro 8 is not supported under Lion?

See this...

http://roaringapps.com/apps:table/tags/_l/index_tags/_l

Basically, Logic 9.1.4 seems to experience some problems with lion.

I wouldn't look to Apple to take a step backwards, they have enough forward motion right now to not worry about losing a few customers due to compatibility issues. Apple's "planned obsolescence" intervals are getting closer and closer. Don't forget, Apple is a hardware company.. everything, including software development is designed to sell hardware, with Apple, upgrading is not a choice, it's a religion.

pancenter-

Although, I have made a lot of money with their software. I will not bite the feeding hand... : )

I have exactly the same problem. Unfortunately, these compatibility issues are not clearly presented to you prior to purchase & install. I simply do not have an endless pool of money to constantly upgrade the already very expensive software I have purchased. Logic 8 isn't even that old.

There was a thunderous applause at the WWDC when the update was announced at a price of £20. What you don't want to find is having to spend £££s of pounds upgrading Apple software that's no longer supported. This is the catch ladies & gentlemen.

I'd imagine that presenting to the public at the WWDC a list of expensive Apple software that would no longer be supported would have severely affected the volume of those applause.

I am an ambassador for Apple products as they really are great. Issues like this, however, make me more & more abhorent of the way Apple run their buisness. I owned a Macbook for 5 years, only to find that Apple had stopped supporting iTunes for Tiger OS, yet the new updates were supported on my 6 year old windows machine running XP. Presumably, loyal apple fans are assumed to have an endless supply of money & will just mindlessly buy new Apple products out of want rather than neccessity. That loyal fanbase fund Apple's Software/Hardware development. Why a windows user should benefit from the latest version of a free Apple download & the loyal Apple customer have to pay & upgrade his entire OS is particularly disloyal on Apple's part I feel.

I digress.

I now have two options...

a) I spend a lot of money upgrading my software in order to use them again, despite not needing to. No Thanks.

b) I reinstall Snow Leopard, I can continue all of my work & Apple get to keep my £20. Yeah. Thanks a lot.

c) I compile a list of legitimately purchased & no longer supported Apple software on my 6 month old £2000 machine & they provide me with free upgrades.

I'd advise anyone thinking of upgrading to Lion to deeply research their potentially affected programs

£20 pounds is peanuts for an OS upgrade. It's also so cheap that you probably don't need to save up for it when you actually need it.

Thanks

J

JimmyBlind wrote:

£20 pounds is peanuts for an OS upgrade

Agreed... leaving you more money upgrade to L9 (with more features & improved stability). I seem to remember Snow Leopard was considerably more expensive on release. (There are legit upgrades of L9 on ebay for £90!)

Also agreed that it's not always the best idea to jump on the latest OS upgrade (especially without backing up). Personally I'd wait until 9.1.5, & confirmation that it is compatible with Lion.

Me... I'm still on 10.5.8 which I've found to be the most solid OS to date.

Perhaps a cheaper option for all those who've made the upgrade to Lion is to buy another HD & re-install Snow Leopard, making that your start-up drive - at least until L9 is deemed compatible with Lion.

Logic 8 is fine for me to produce studio-quality music &, if I wanted to, run a professional recording buisness. For it to simply 'not work' is fundamentally unacceptable though.

If I 'needed' Logic 9, I would buy it. I don't need it though. I now only 'need' it because it flatly refuses to launch in OSX Lion. Are you also telling me that Logic 9 doesn't run properly on OSX Lion? Do you not think there is something wrong with that?

Logic 8 is absolutely fine, stable & more than I need out of a home sound engineering package. The point is that I don't want to & shouldn't have to spend a further £90 on a piece of software that already cost me £300, just to get it working again. Logic 8 is merely 4 years old. I've not attempted to launch my arsenal of other software yet. I may find that things are actually much worse than I currently am aware of.

OSX Lion is sold in the Apple store as a superbly priced upgraded OS. What it actually may cost you in the long run probably needs to be considered first & should be clearly presented in the Apple store. There is no clear list of unsupported software for OSX Lion. But then, how many people would buy the new OS if it meant some of their expensive programs no longer functioning? This is the problem for me. I've paid for it & it has now done more harm than good & therefore, currently, a complete waste of my £20.

Again, my advice to anyone looking at spending their poultry £20 on OSX Lion should consider how it will affect their installed programs & how much it may cost in the long run.

I have decided to go back to Snow Leopard for the mean time. I have backed up all my documents on a few seperate HD. I will update to Lion later when all bugs are fixed and the majority of other people do, and as i have paid for it i dont need to buy it again! Logic is working fine again now 🙂

JimmyBlind wrote:

I am an ambassador for Apple products as they really are great. Issues like this, however, make me more & more abhorent of the way Apple run their buisness. I owned a Macbook for 5 years, only to find that Apple had stopped supporting iTunes for Tiger OS, yet the new updates were supported on my 6 year old windows machine running XP. Presumably, loyal apple fans are assumed to have an endless supply of money & will just mindlessly buy new Apple products out of want rather than neccessity.

Actually... years ago SJ was overheard saying he could count on a certain loyal fanbase to purchase anything they produced, without question.

What's a bit odd is how accelerated the "planned obsolescence" formula has become.

A contionuous cycle of upgrading... made easier with the App Store built in.

On the opposite end of the spectum, Linux users... :-)

pancenter-

Guys, why to update your system but not Logic? What do you expect from a new OS? Cool new features? Great for people using just iLife and iWork.

It is still risky to update your system (especially in the early days) when you have complex and professional softwares like Logic + 3rd party plugins.

However, normally the Lion installer called "Install Mac OS Lion" should be in your "Applications" folder, save it on a DVD, USB key, etc and go back to Snow Leopard, you will update to Lion later...

I wouldn't even call Lion a new OS, but rather just an upgrade with the biggest feature being a way for Apple to sell you more stuff and generate profit through their app store. And along with that, they now require us to upgrade Logic Pro, Final Cut, iLife, iWork, and who knows what else? It's obviously just another money making scheme by Apple. Hopefully they haven't killed a boat load of non-Apple apps too.

I wish they'd adopt Google's motto, "Don't be evil".

Guys, why to update your system but not Logic? What do you expect from a new OS? Cool new features? Great for people using just iLife and iWork.

Simply put, because it only costs £20 & been arguably the top feature on the Apple website since the WWDC. Why not download it? I now know why not, of course.

Like I say, Logic 8 is a mere 4 years old. MS Office 2003 is still a fully functioning office suite even on Windows 7 & will be throughout it's ongoing service packs. Logic 8 is also very much not a 3rd party piece of software & was very expensive. It's developed by Apple. It shouldn't be a redundant piece of software yet.

I think my plan of action is to visit the Apple store, speak to a representitive & either haggle for upgrades to my existing software or demand a refund for OSX Lion. From my experience, Apple stores are very, very busy & I doubt their staff would like me voicing my concerns to prospective buyers.

Hypothetically, if my business relied on my copy of Logic 8, I didn't have the capital or the need to upgrade to L9 (Which also apparently has issues with Lion) & a relative bought me the OSX Lion upgrade as a present, I wouldn't be able to continue my business. That just isn't acceptable behaviour & people should be made better aware of the implications of installing their new OS as a primary concern to simply just marketing it & selling it.

JimmyBlind wrote:

I'd advise anyone thinking of upgrading to Lion to deeply research their potentially affected programs

That's great advice for anyone looking at ANY major OS update. OS updates break compatibility with some apps, that's a fact of life.

I'd also say that anyone upgrading OS should consider the likelihood that you'll need the latest versions of all your software and plugins, which may be paid upgrades in some cases. Someone who wants to stick with older software versions is probably better off sticking with the older OS.

With older versions of software they probably aren't even tested with the new OS and I'd argue that developer's time is better spent making sure the latest versions are compatible and optimized. If older versions don't work, that info will come out from users soon enough.

It's a shame you won't be able to use the new OS you bought (at least not right away), but I guess at £20 it's a fairly inexpensive way to learn that particular lesson. Maybe someone will figure out a way to hack 8 to get it to run, but if there are any problems beyond that Apple isn't going to fix them, any 10.7 updates will go into 9.1.5.

I went to the Apple store today to find out what the **** is going on the with this issue.

Basicly they told me to downgrade to snow leapard and left it up to me to do. I then pushed to speak to someone in pro apps (who were really busy and didn't really want to talk to me -**** service-)

the pro apps person said you need to upgrade logic for a price of $300. and that simply logic 8 was was a in between transion app for power pc and intel. Apple dont want to support power pc any more thats for sure since lion only works on intel. Also the fact that logic 8 is a 32 bit app and logic 9 is 64 bit. lion is really trying to push 32 bit out. I have had logic studio 8 for a period of 2 years and am discusted at how much it cost when i bought it only to find out that they relese logic 9 a year later. i cant belive the upgrade is $ 300 i could bye a whole new DAW for that much. the saw point is logic 8 is a power pc and intel app but no support lion.

MarkF7862 wrote:

I wouldn't even call Lion a new OS...

http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/1

Check it out, it's a huge update with tons of changes.

MarkF7862 wrote:

...they now require us to upgrade Logic Pro, Final Cut, iLife, iWork...

The previous version of the final cut suite (and even FCS2) reportedly works fine. Latest iLife plus some earlier versions as well. iWork they just released free updates specifically to enable new Lion features. Looks like Logic is the only one on that list that needs the latest version and that version came out two years ago.