Lion will not support Mac Office. It was not disclosed.

Funny.

The reason the software doesn't work is that Apple has forced the obsolescence of it. By not recompiling Rosetta, the original poster is forced to give his money to Microsoft. The apologist attitude of those who think this is funny leads one to think they must work for Microsoft or that they only use Safari and other programs that are included with the operating system.

Many of us rely on software that we can't afford to update, or in the case of academic software is not ever going to be updated, thus slowing the wheels of research or causing dents in one's pocketbook.

I would buy a new iMac tomorrow if Apple would include Rosetta. I'd even purchase Rosetta on the App Store if it were available. I'd even purchase a new iMac and downgrade to Snow Leopard if that were possible.

But, it's hard to want to spend $2800 on a new machine and be forced to spend additional hundreds, and go through numerous 'upgrades' and time wasters to use software that would work if there weren't a monopoly on Rosetta.

Further reasons to avoid Lion include:

1. Apple Mail. Maybe someday it will be a powerful email program, but not today.

2. Idiotic Address Book skin.

3. Same goes for iCal.

4. No Rosetta.

I also find it curious that those who think this is funny are so willing to take a bat to those who's computer lives and finances are inconvenienced when they suffer no harm whether or not old software is compatible or not. Again, perhaps they work for Microsoft.

I would be more than happy to spend my money with Apple, but not yet.

The reason the software doesn't work is that Apple has forced the obsolescence of it. By not recompiling Rosetta, the original poster is forced to give his money to Microsoft.

The main problem is that Apple never owned, or wrote Rosetta. It was based on Transitive Corporation's QuickTransit technology (now owned by IBM). Apple did have to do a bit of work to make it work seemlessly with OS X, but I would imagine they had to license the main code's use. That license likely ran out and Apple didn't want to renew it.

Kurt Lang wrote:

The main problem is that Apple never owned, or wrote Rosetta. It was based on Transitive Corporation's QuickTransit technology (now owned by IBM). Apple did have to do a bit of work to make it work seemlessly with OS X, but I would imagine they had to license the main code's use. That license likely ran out and Apple didn't want to renew it.

Not entirely true.

The reason Apple has dropped Rosetta is because it wa NEVER intended to be a permanent solution. The inclusion of Rosetta was a stop-gap measure to help ease the transition from PPC to Intel processors for both developers and end-users. Apple always planned to drop support for it, and now, 5 years after it was introduced they have because they have completed the transition to Intel and a fully 64-bit version of OS X. Rosetta was never going to be around forever.

Rosetta is gone, folks. Get over it and either upgrade your obsolete software (which MS no longer supports, BTW), find other solutions, or restore from the backup you made before upgrading to Lion.

The reason Apple has dropped Rosetta is because it wa NEVER intended to be a permanent solution.

Well, yes, that too. Any vendor who couldn't see the obvious writing on the wall when PPC based Macs went away basically deserve to be left in the dust.

I say that even though the high end scanners we use require PPC to run. They updated the bare minimum of the scanning software to Intel code to make it work in OS X, but the bulk of it is still PPC. Kodak completely shut down the graphic scanner division, and the assembly plant has been bulldozed. So unless someone picks up the code to develop it further, I don't know if we'll ever see a fully Intel native version of this software.

VueScan software has been around forever and supports nearly every scanner on the planet.

http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#kodak

Thanks, Doug. But those would be scanners Kodak developed themselves. These are very high end scanners designed and built originally by Scitex. Creo bought them out, and then Kodak bought Creo. The only software that exists which can drive these X-Y automatic stitching scanners is the software they came with.

Kurt Lang wrote:

Well, yes, that too. Any vendor who couldn't see the obvious writing on the wall when PPC based Macs went away basically deserve to be left in the dust.

Agreed. And most software vendors that valued their profits and the business of Mac-users kept up. MS, for example (which this thread is about), released a Universal version of Office for Mac in 2008, and of course Office for Mac 2011 is compatilble with Lion as well.

Well it seems like keeping a Mac with Snow Leopard (which will be supported for a good few years yet) around to run these might be a good idea?

Well it seems like keeping a Mac with Snow Leopard (which will be supported for a good few years yet) around to run these might be a good idea?

Yup. Even though I wasn't really in need of a new Mac Pro yet, I bought one of the last ones I could find with the Westmere CPU and came with Snow Leopard. All for the reason of having as new of a Mac as possible that can run the scanner.

I'm glad you find this so **** funny. I left PCs in 2004 and started buying Macs because I was sick of nothing working right. Every OS I had through snow leopard worked flawlessly with everything apple offered. Nothing works with Lion not even Office For Mac 2011. It took forever to get iworks to work and I've yet to find a low end scanner that will work. And you can't get Lion off your mac.

If I wanted software that wouldn't work with an operating system I would have stayed with a PC at a fraction of the price I pay for my macs. Expecting a small disclaimer warning people that certain things would not work with Lion is not unreasonable. I'm sorry I ever put the thing on my macbook. The older macbook and minis I have still work flawlessly

Office 2011 works on Lion just fine, so does 2008, I use Canon, Samsung and HP scanners with my Macs, with Lion.

Backing up before you did this would make going back easy, did you?

Been a Mac user since 2004 and have never had any software problem. My daughter's macbook runs great on snow leopard and the minis still work well with Tiger and all interface with plenty of software.

I can't get anything to work right with Lion including Office 2011 and iworks. Nothing I buy works with it and I'm sorry I ever installed it. I don't expect everything to work but nothing works properly with Lion

daveslc wrote:

Funny.

The reason the software doesn't work is that Apple has forced the obsolescence of it. By not recompiling Rosetta, the original poster is forced to give his money to Microsoft. The apologist attitude of those who think this is funny leads one to think they must work for Microsoft or that they only use Safari and other programs that are included with the operating system.

Many of us rely on software that we can't afford to update, or in the case of academic software is not ever going to be updated, thus slowing the wheels of research or causing dents in one's pocketbook.

I would buy a new iMac tomorrow if Apple would include Rosetta. I'd even purchase Rosetta on the App Store if it were available. I'd even purchase a new iMac and downgrade to Snow Leopard if that were possible.

But, it's hard to want to spend $2800 on a new machine and be forced to spend additional hundreds, and go through numerous 'upgrades' and time wasters to use software that would work if there weren't a monopoly on Rosetta.

Further reasons to avoid Lion include:

1. Apple Mail. Maybe someday it will be a powerful email program, but not today.

2. Idiotic Address Book skin.

3. Same goes for iCal.

4. No Rosetta.

I also find it curious that those who think this is funny are so willing to take a bat to those who's computer lives and finances are inconvenienced when they suffer no harm whether or not old software is compatible or not. Again, perhaps they work for Microsoft.

I would be more than happy to spend my money with Apple, but not yet.

Don't spend any money, don't upgrade ever again, just stay with your current system, it's free.

"....but nothing works properly with Lion..."

Then you MUST be doing something wrong. I started to update my MacPro to Lion some 4 minutes after it was available.

It installed smoothly.

The only thing reported as incompatible was the driver/kext for a PCI eSata card I'd fitted. One swift trip on the web, download and install a 64-bit kext (admittedly a ß) but it worked and I've had no problems since.

Apple Mail works for me.

Address Book/iCal appearances can be changed - google it.

Rosetta absence is/was inevitable - that's progress.

My sister bought an external USB floppy drive to go with her first iMac (years ago). It ended up being unused.

The business of the installation program is to install the given software. The user needs to do some homework. I run Lion almost exclusively. Some software don't work in Lion, Like Office: Mac 2004. So I use Open Office, which is excellent, or Pages in the iWorks suite.

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