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  • 60. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    Thebestplacehere Level 3 Level 3 (705 points)

    Then in mision control you have the app you working in and the other full screens at the top,you don't need all the open apps in your screen because that means that you don't know what you looking for or what you want do.

    You now can concentrate in what you doing and you don't need have lot of open apps but if you have some then they are there..Just do and don't try to look like you doing..

    I am a bit sick of all you complaining and i wish you learn how to use Lion and do whatever quicker and happier than with SL and use the open apps for something no only to see them ..

  • 61. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    Thebestplacehere Level 3 Level 3 (705 points)

    The idea people is concentrate in what you can do and no waste time thinking what you can't do !!!!!

  • 62. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    Colin Robinson Level 6 Level 6 (8,305 points)

    RobBT wrote:

     

    Would you mind posting a screenshot of Mail full-screen? Or point to an example on the internet? From when I first heard of it I'm curious to find out how Apple resolved this.

    On a 24" iMac it looks like this:

    Screen Shot 2011-07-23 at 20.19.53.png

  • 63. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)

    Thebestplacehere wrote:

     

    Your comments remembers me the first ones about FCP X

    Comments on FCP X are not only about a new way of working, but also about missing functionality that was present in FCP 7. Functionality that pro's need to get their work done. So your comparison may be not so bad.

     

    Thebestplacehere wrote in response to cshapple:

     

    I am a bit sick of all you complaining

     

    You could concentrate on other posts while you're here at Apple Discussions.

  • 64. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)

    Thanks Colin.

     

    It certainly wouldn't be my way of reading e-mail, but I think Apple resolved this well. And of course, like I said earlier, on smaller screens this will do great.

     

    Compared to Spaces and Exposé (and Dashboard) which are more the subject of this discussion, here (Mail) Apple gives a choice: full-screen, normal window and even old skool.

    I wouldn't complain if Mission Control was an option alongside of Spaces, Exposé and Dashboard Snow's way.

  • 65. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)

    Thebestplacehere wrote:

     

    The idea people is concentrate in what you can do and no waste time thinking what you can't do !!!!!

    Right, I shouldn't waste my time thinking what I can't do with Lion.
     
    And just get back to work in Snow Leopard.

  • 66. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    Thebestplacehere Level 3 Level 3 (705 points)

    Long life Lion people or whatever !!!

  • 67. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    cshapple Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    NOTE: Is there some way to get a message to nest under the one you are replying too? I hate to have to quote entire posts just to maintain context.

     

    Colin Robinson wrote:

     

    RobBT wrote:

     

    Full-screen apps are good for small screens for sure.
    But the 1680x1050px (20") I connect my MBP to (pretty average a size I would say) I wouldn't like to use for Full-screen reading e-mail or Full-screen web browsing (although lots of people do - while web sites still get developed for 1024x768px).

     

    I didn't think I would use Full Screen web browsing on 24" iMac but it does make it easier. Have a look at my desktop before:

    Screen Shot 2011-07-23 at 18.24.07.png

     

    And after:

    Screen Shot 2011-07-23 at 18.24.42.png

     

    Easier for me to concentrate on ASC without the clutter.

     

    regards,

    Colin R.

     

    Personally I hate that.

     

    However, I can understand some people like to focus, and it is nice that Apple seems to have kept the line lengths readable.

     

    Only thing I don't understand is why this is considered a new Lion feature. A lot of apps already did this so OS X has obviously been able to do this for a long time.

     

    About all I see that is new is that it automatically puts the app in a new Space for you, and that's the biggest thing I dislike about it.

     

    I want to be able to fullscreen apps, but in the Space I choose, not the one the system chooses for me.

     

    Seems that they could satisfy people who like Lion and those who like how SL did it. Its software after all.

     

    Message was edited by: cshapple

  • 68. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    ian129 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Mission Control will do some of what Spaces did and also switches pairs of spaces on two monitors, but will not show you the "grid" and does not explicitly recognize the second monitor (Spaces only recognized the second monitor in the grid).

     

    You have to add spaces one-by-one, by moving the mouse pointer beyond the rightmost space and clicking on the "+" that appears at the right side of the screen.

     

    You can't use the (non-existent) grid to move application windows from one space to another.  Instead, you use Mission Control to bring up the space that has the window, then drag the applicaition window from the large (active) space below to the space (in the row above) where you want it.

     

    I would like to have the "grid", but don't like it enough to give up Lion.

  • 69. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    Roosevelt Jones Level 2 Level 2 (380 points)

    You can still use an alternate method of moving windows between desktops by clicking and holding the window title bar and changing the desktop using the keyboard shortcuts.

  • 70. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    Barney-15E Level 8 Level 8 (35,270 points)
    I use the Option+Arrows sometimes. I can get all the Spaces displayed by clicking the middle (wheel) button of my mouse.

    Set your mousewheel to activate Mission Control (MC). (I don't have a mouse, so I don't know how).

    Sometimes I take an application from one Space to another, I do that with all Spaces in view.

    How would you best translate my way of working to Lion?

    Activate MC and drag the app to the desktop you want (or to the far right to create a new desktop).

    It was clunky.

    I really don't get you. Clunky?

    Using the arrow keys and # keys was clunky. Swiping is much more fluid.

    I didn't get a magic trackpad until after I started using Lion, so perhaps that is why I felt it was clunky.

  • 71. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)

    Thanks Barney.
     
    You didn't translate all of my workflow to Lion. And of what I understood of MC, for moving an app from one desktop to another, I first have to be on the actual app's desktop. For my personal workflow that may be just a detail, but still, a new OS should make things easier and not slower or more difficult or even impossible (compared to its predecessor).
     
    I see that fans of MC don't mind some extra swiping and I see swiping is fast, but to me everything more looks like more trouble to get things done.
    Maybe fans of MC in the discussion here are expressing more their joy of working with a track pad than the actual functioning (or visual appearance) of MC.
     
    I've got nothing against track pads, actually I think the one on my MBP is really great (and I understand Apple's Magic Trackpad is even more awesome), it's just that the lid of my MBP is closed most of the time and I never felt a need for doing away the mouse.
    Maybe I better "upgrade" to a Magic Trackpad first.
     

    It was clunky.

    I really don't get you. Clunky?

    Using the arrow keys and # keys was clunky. Swiping is much more fluid.

     

    OK, you used it in a clunky way then, you could have reached your goal with two swift mouse movements. Or movements on the trackpad.

  • 72. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    Barney-15E Level 8 Level 8 (35,270 points)

    It doesn't take "learning" to realize that if you need to put applications A, B, and C on desk one, that anything which does different won't work. If Lion puts C on desk 5, its broken if that's not what I need.

     

    Apple has a lot of smart guys, they can fix it so both methods work and the user can decide.

     

    I'm not sure why you and others are so drunk on the Apple kool-aide that you feel compelled to tell us we are wrong and its our ignorance that is the issue.

     

    I don't agree with you, but I'm not telling you: You just need to learn the old method, then you'll understand why its better. I fully realize it might not be right for you.

     

    Notice the contrast?

    Why aren't you putting the application where you want it? You can move apps from one desktop to another by dragging or setting the location in the Options submenu of the Dock.

    You can also set the Mission Control prefs to not auto-arrange the desktops, if that is how you want it.  Full-screen apps exist in their own desktop.

     

    You seem to impune my suggestion to learn how it works and get used to it as some shortcoming of yours. It is different and works much different than before. If you've only been using it for a few days, it is still different and will take some getting used to.

     

    I wasn't telling you that you must like it, or that you don't know how to use it, which you have implied. However, based on the statements above, it appears that your really don't know how to use it.

    The suggestion still stands. Use it for a while like I have, then decide whether it helps or hurts your workflow.

     

    It's not going to change back. There is no method to make it work like it did. You can go back to Snow, now, or you can try it for a while and see how you can adapt your workflow to it.

     

    You see, I'm making a suggestion on how you might learn to use the tools provided. I'm not telling you that you must use them. It is your choice to use Lion or switch back to Snow. I don't care which you do. I have no vested interest in getting you on Lion. After only a few days of using it you've firmly decided that it is broken beyond repair. I just don't find that a valid test.

     

    See the difference?

  • 73. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    Barney-15E Level 8 Level 8 (35,270 points)

    RobBT wrote:

     
    I've got nothing against track pads, actually I think the one on my MBP is really great (and I understand Apple's Magic Trackpad is even more awesome), it's just that the lid of my MBP is closed most of the time and I never felt a need for doing away the mouse.
    Maybe I better "upgrade" to a Magic Trackpad first.

    OK, you used it in a clunky way then, you could have reached your goal with two swift mouse movements. Or movements on the trackpad.

    And that may be the difference. I didn't use spaces with a trackpad. I hate the hot corners because they open more often when I don't want them than when I do. But, I suppose that is a "muscle memory" training issue I didn't take the time to resolve. Perhaps that is a "doctor, heal thyself" thing.

     

    There has been quite a bit of consternation about the shift more towards a multi-touch desktop OS. Nobody knows where Apple will go on this. It is what it is, right now. If enough people provide feedback, maybe they'll bend it back towards a mouse-centered desktop OS.

    Personally, I like it. It just feels more natural. The Magic Trackpad has likely moved me in that direction, though.

    If you can stand to work witht he lid open and use the built-in trackpad for a while, you might be able to determine if investing in the Magic Trackpad would be worth it.

     

    I needed a new travel mouse at the time and saw how much more usable Lion would be with the new Trackpads, so I bought the Magic Trackpad to use instead of a mouse. Best $69 I've spent in a while.  I would imagine you'd have to like using a trackpad, though.

  • 74. Re: Can I get Snow's Spaces back? Among others...
    jon_f Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    In SL I used Spaces with an extension called Better Touch Tool, which let me assign a swipe gesture to move left, up, down, or right among my spaces in an organized grid. I could pinch in to see all spaces, or pinch out to see Expose. Lion takes that simple usability and replaces it with a nice-looking but kludgey Mission Control. I am very disappoint.

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