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  • Donald Fowler Level 1 Level 1 (105 points)

    I have a MBP as well that constantly drops. My only conclusion is that after all this time and hundreds of thousands of complaints 1) Apple knows it is broke. 2) Apple isn't going to fix it.

  • albertocampo Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The only reason for Apple to fix it is that it affected their public image like Antenna Gate. If this issue is transparent for future new customers, nothing is going to be solved.

     

    At least, Apple can be sure this has been the last euro I've spent in an Apple product. Let's see how long the prosperity in Apple's world lasts. Acting this way, not too much.

  • Joseph Kriz Level 5 Level 5 (5,045 points)

    I see very, very, few people here telling us what wireless router they are using....

     

    Why not give us all the information about the wireless equipment you have?

    Whether it used to work on not with previous versions....

     

    If you don't give us anymore information, not too many people can help you.

    Complaints don't help get your problem solved...

     

    I have an Airport Extreme and several computers running Lion with all the current updates...

    I had a few minor problems with Wi-Fi but they seemed to have straightened themselves out...

     

    No one is going to read 106 pages of complaints.

    And, no one here can help you with your complaints.....

  • QJack Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Joseph,

     

    Good point.  I am using an Airport Extreme as my AP.  It is the same one that I have been using for about 3 years.

     

    Here's some other information, I might be jumping the gun, but, it appears now that my wireless is staying connected.  It has been up for 5 hours straight now.  The difference??  Well, I took an old wireless b/g AP and created another WLAN and connected to it.  I still have my Airport Extreme (non dual band in 'n' mode, serviing

    my other devices, but added the addition b/g AP to my network. 

     

    So, is there something awry with the iMac 'n' mode support?

  • Zohar Blau Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm using Linksys WRT120N with Mac mini and another 4 laptops running Win7.

    I'm running mixed mode (b/g + N) only because by Blackberry cannot connect N - but all the computers connect in N mode.

    The problem started ONLY after upgrading to 10.7. None of the Win7 machines fail.

  • Michael Sciascia Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
    And don't expect it to get any better. Tim Cook has said that the PC era is over. He wants to replace our Macs with iPads. I'll give you my Mac when you pry it from my cold, dead hands... it will be using an Ethernet cable mind you.

    Pax,

     

    I am right there with you...    I need my Mac.   iOS is great but it does not meet my computing needs.  My previous generation Mac Pro with Snow Leopard was the best Mac I ever had,  (going all the the way back to a Mac Plus).  My SE/30 comes in a distant second.   I am just extremely frustrated by Apple's silence.  They appear to have forgotten how they got through the bad times... It was customers like you and me who got them here.   By the way I am letting my MacWorld subscription lapse for the same three reasons.   iOS, iOS and iToys.  

     

    You can't have my Mac, I'll keep it going as long as I can get parts.   Snow Leopard Lives. 

     

    See a separate post for my fix to the whole WiFi problem... 

     

    Mike

  • Michael Sciascia Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)
    I see very, very, few people here telling us what wireless router they are using.....
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    No one is going to read 106 pages of complaints.

    And, no one here can help you with your complaints.....

     

    The common thread here is that Lion fails with wireless routers that work reliably for Snow Leopard, Leopard, iOS and Windows.   It does not matter what the router is.   The same computer re-booted into Snow Leopard has no WiFi problems.   This is a Lion operating system problem, nothing less.

  • Michael Sciascia Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    WiFi PROBLEM SOLVED... TREMENDOUS IMPROVEMENT IN NETWORK SPEED.   ANYONE CAN DO THIS!!!

     

    Here is how I did it:

     

    1) I spent two weekends wiring the entire house for gigabit eithernet.  (My muscles are very sore from crawling around in the attic like a monkey with a drill and a roll of wire.)

    2) Purchased an eight port gigabit switch to direct traffic.

    3) Connected all Mac desktop computers and printers to the network.

    4) TURNED OFF WiFi everywhere.  (Time Capsule WiFi is now only for our iPhones and a Snow Leopard MacBook.)

    5) Measured the peak network speed at 3.1Mb/sec.  This is limited only by my internet provider and is about a 100x performance improvement over Lion WiFi.

    6) Renamed my Mac Pro as the "Cowardly Lion".

    7) Poured myself an adult beverage.

     

    Someone send me an email if the problem is ever solved.  I am still rooting for the rest of you.

     

    Mike

  • QJack Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Holy smokes, my WiFi stayed up overnight!  It is still connected to my b/g network.

    So, I think Lion has an 'n' mode issue.  To be certain, I'm going to purchase (then return)

    another 'n' capable AP.  But, all my diagnostics point to 'n' driver issues in Lion.

    Any one else try this?  Results?

  • WSR Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    QJack wrote:

     

    It is still connected to my b/g network.

    So, I think Lion has an 'n' mode issue. 

     

     

    I found it to be exactly the opposite.

  • gphonei Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Remember that 802.11b is a very simple signal type.  802.11g is a more dense data encoding for more bandwidth on the same channel size.  802.11n, is a multi-channel use that allows up to three channels to be "bonded" into a single stream.  On 2.4Ghz, that allows about 3 different APs to be active without interfering with each other.  On 5ghz, there are many more channels, so that you can get many more APs up and running, interference free.

     

    On 2.4ghz, you have bluetooth, portable phones, VCR rabbits, baby monitors, and many other types of user devices which can create interfering signals.

     

    It appears to me that Lion is having problems "recovering" from interferring signals.  That is, if you have a great network, you see limited issues because you don't have things happening that cause the WiFi layer to report errors and keep trying to recover/make things work. 

     

    But, those that are reporting continued problems, no matter what, and then buy a "router" and/or "switch bands" or "switch technology", seem to illustrate that when there is a problem network, you can switch your network type and have good results.

     

    This would be why people switching to the old driver no longer have problems (those that it works for at least).  Either the old driver is not reporting the kind of error that the new one does, or it is not reporting anything up the stack to the other layers and so it stays working fine with the old driver.  If you've tried the driver and it doesn't work for you, then perhaps you don't have "The Lion WiFi Problem", and you need to look at a different level of the network for your issue.

  • Zohar Blau Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I modified to b/g only and I still encounter numerous disconnects.

    It is a general wifi issue, not only N.

  • Zohar Blau Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    You're probably right...

  • torndownunit Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Michael Sciascia wrote:

     

    I see very, very, few people here telling us what wireless router they are using.....
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    No one is going to read 106 pages of complaints.

    And, no one here can help you with your complaints.....

     

    The common thread here is that Lion fails with wireless routers that work reliably for Snow Leopard, Leopard, iOS and Windows.   It does not matter what the router is.   The same computer re-booted into Snow Leopard has no WiFi problems.   This is a Lion operating system problem, nothing less.

     

    I really don't know why this simple point get's lost in all of this.  I don't know how it can be seen as a 'network problem' when the problem only exists for most of us with a computer running Lion, but works fine with all other devices.  None of us were told when upgrading to Lion that it would only work with certain routers.   So it's a Lion/Apple problem.

  • WSR Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    torndownunit wrote:

    I really don't know why this simple point get's lost in all of this.  I don't know how it can be seen as a 'network problem' when the problem only exists for most of us with a computer running Lion, but works fine with all other devices.  None of us were told when upgrading to Lion that it would only work with certain routers.   So it's a Lion/Apple problem.

     

    Whilst you are correct, it seems that Apple are burying their heads in the sand and are either really unknowledgeable about this, or doggedly sticking to the lie that they don't know and blaming all manner of other things..... e.g. Apple Care took me through all the usual what cordless phones to do have?.... then microwaves, monitors etc etc, and then they insisted I reset SMC and PRAM etc etc.... All standard stuff and shouldn't be regurgitated to us victims as it's insulting for many of us, and wasting of a lot of time..... I just couldn't get past any of that with Apple Care.

     

    Anyway, the point is that the fix for me was a new model Time Capsule. Maybe a new Airport Extreme will do the same as it's presumably the same gubbings inside...... Now I know it's a significant expense, but for me it saved the continual tearing out of hair, and I just HAD TO get it fixed for productivity reasons..... & I'm delighted with the speed of my Wi-Fi now that I'm mostly on N.

    It was worth the expense to me as if I hadn't then I'd still be screaming about this on a daily basis.