Seriously no key repeat in Lion?

etresoft wrote:

No. Having a delay on option would not work. The old option key method is based on the user thinking of the diacritical first and then the character. You type option + some character to get a diacritical, then type the character to be modified. If you just use option, how would you know which set of modifiers to use?

By showing the ones valid for that letter. Press and hold Option + E, and see the valid diacriticals.

Applications can use keys for whatever purpose they want, and they might need to repeat.

Certainly. That is why the only program that anyone can think of that might need to repeat alphabetic characters (Terminal.app) can still do so.

Well, there's the fallacy of your conceit. Your imagination doesn't represent everyone, and neither does Apple's. That's how the platform arrives at poorly thought-out solutions like this.

For example, one of Apple's most popular products used to be a video-editing application. Video editors use a great many alphanumeric keys for various functions, and it's not for someone else to say which ones they want to repeat and which they don't.

etresoft wrote:

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Really, this whole topic is pointless. Who really needs to repeat yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy in Pages or Word?

(With apologies) yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy not?

Stokestack wrote:

By showing the ones valid for that letter. Press and hold Option + E, and see the valid diacriticals.

But then that would delay those people who frequently type in another language and know the old method.

Well, there's the fallacy of your conceit. Your imagination doesn't represent everyone, and neither does Apple's. That's how the platform arrives at poorly thought-out solutions like this.

For example, one of Apple's most popular products used to be a video-editing application. Video editors use a great many alphanumeric keys for various functions, and it's not for someone else to say which ones they want to repeat and which they don't.

And there's your ignorance of how MacOS X works. The new diacritical pop-up only applies to the NSTextField and NSTextView user interface elements. Any application that processed text input events using some other method (such as Terminal, games, or your video editing application) could repeat keys as much as it wanted.

And what's that quip about "one of Apple's most popular products used to be a video-editing application"? Are you one of the Final Cut Pro X ranters who has wandered out of that forum? Here is a linkto help you find your way back home.

Why submit feedback? They don't listen, so what's the point?

No one said to get rid of the old method, so why would it affect people who know it?

So it's better to add delay and break current keyboard convention, instead of just adding delay? Yes, let's encumber everyone. This kind of thinking has brought us brilliant ideas in the past, like the hardware delay on the Eject key (which prevents it from being remapped to something useful, like Delete) and on the Caps Lock key (which prevents it from working half the time).

And I don't know what you're on about with the Final Cut Pro X strawman, but you may have heard that Final Cut Pro was discontinued. That was a very popular product, and now it isn't. You're the one reading some kind of judgment into it.

Same old Internet-forum tactics... don't like something, call it a "rant." Or project your own biases on everyone else.

daveslc wrote:

Why submit feedback? They don't listen, so what's the point?

They listen, but sometimes the answer is "no".

This is a well-thought out new feature. It is only alphanumeric keys that don't repeat. Any key that any reasonable person would ever want to repeat is still repeatable. Terminal is unchanged. Plus we have a handy new feature.

The people who are complaining are just ranting because they don't like iOS.

So far, I have seen no evidence that they listen or even read feedback.

They seem to be good at taking away useful features and adding dumb ones, like 3 column address book and type to find in mail (even with it's dreadful implementation, it was better than not having it at all).

IOS is an iphone OS and it works great for that, it however is not a personal computer OS, why the dumbed down step backward?

Chad, I think you make an extremely valid point - I have the same issue as yours. Whatever one's preference, it should be a point-click-n-close type deal. Apple pushes simplicity - and we expect it.

I have never had a response to the times I have reported a bug via the bugreporter links.

Then, don't file. I've beta tested every cat since Panther and have submitted numerous BRs via the seed reporting system and the bug reporting system. Both have resulted in fixed issues.

Check this out.. use the Terminal.app to key a command to enable the keyboard repeat !!

http://www.belchak.com/2011/07/23/re-enabling-key-repeat-in-osx-lion/

don't forget to reboot,

That Termial line was shared several times at the beginning of this thread.

Secrets pref pane

http://secrets.blacktree.com/

"A database of hidden settings for Mac OS X." This utility essentially performs terminal functions, but within a simple UI in System Preferences. You change the Keyboard press and hold behavior with Secrets.

Setting to enable/disable accent/keyboard repeat?

Don't worry.. it will be a NEW FEATURE among hundreds of new ones in the next version 😝

Try the Lion Tweaks app, it does a lot of what people want without you having to edit command lines etc...

http://ifredrik.com/applications/