Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

I've seen many comments about people having different problems and trouble with the new OS X Lion, does anyone recommend me to download it? My current OS is Mac OS X 10.6.7.

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jul 20, 2011 2:48 PM

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Sep 8, 2011 3:14 AM in response to Bob Jacobson

I'm not sure if I was referring to you. I read in one of these posts that the machine froze and the user closed the lid on it, thinking it would go to sleep. I can't find the post in this 114 page thread anymore.


But the lesson here is not to close the lid on a frozen/crashed computer. Command-Option-Escape to close any apps you can. If that doesn't work, then hold down the power button until it turns off. When you restart, hold shift until you hear the startup chime. This will perform a file system check and repair any damage manually forcing a power off did.

Sep 8, 2011 3:15 AM in response to Bob Jacobson

Bob Jacobson wrote:


After reading back through the pages (and pages and pages) of this forum topic, I have this question: there's been a lot of talk about why Lion's not so bad, and how to make it work as good as Snow Leopard again, but not so much talk about why it's so good. So...why is it so good?

Well, let me try. The features I like are many:


  • Full screen apps: a must in a small screen. Those alone are worth the 30 dollars.
  • Resume: some people may not like it. To me it is an huge convenience. If one doesn't like it, it can be disabled.
  • Gestures: unfortunately I can't use them. Old MacBook. But I tried them. They are simply magic.
  • Mail: Full screen (again), Conversations, and actually working search fields. I threw Entourage in the garbage bin
  • Versions/Autosave: useful but annoying in the way they are implemented. They need a way to be disabled inside the applications.
  • Mission Control: The dynamic desktop creation and assignation for applications is superior to Space. The windows stack zoom feature isn't. MC needs to be polished and improved. Still it was the only way to manage the new full screen applications. Adding them in the Spaces grid would have generated many more complaints. And probably made it much uglier.
  • Launchpad: some people like it, and sometimes it can be useful to dig into our application space. It is user freindly after all. So why not? It doesn't hurt to have it for sure. And no, it doesn't dumb down OS X.
  • Performances: my old MacBook is more efficient. Less CPU used and it feels faster. Some benchmarks show that running applications have more or less the same performances of Snow Leopard.


Also one must consider that OS X Lion changed a lot in the inside, even if that is hidden to the users. The architecture is pretty new so more prone to annoying bugs. I'd say that a real comparison should be done once 10.7.2 is out. It is already reported to be a big update as expected. Still, even now, I wouldn't switch back to Snow Leopard. Finder (and others) keeping eating CPU is enough of a reason for me to put SL in the bad memories bin.

Sep 8, 2011 3:32 AM in response to Bob Jacobson

Well, your CPU can't run at 125% -- that's impossible. %100 mean full utilization. Dual core CPUs can run at %200 total, if you count each core as a full CPU, but in truth the total is 100%.


And I can attest that 100% cpu utilization is possible to sustain for long periods without frying components. (That's what "burn in" testing is. Before any new computer leaves the assembly area, it is put through its paces with scripts that test various components of the machine and one that runs the CPU at 100% utilization for 24 hours.) However 100% CPU utilization will fry components if you don't allow the CPU to cool itself properly: i.e. blocking air vents, or not allowing enough air flow in general.


If you have allowed proper airflow and it still fried, then Lion simply revealed a hardware defect. Read on for a similar fresh install, then instability experience I had years ago.


I remember when I installed Leopard (OS X 10.5.2) it started crashing like crazy when I opened up apps that I knew were compatible and when I opened more than about 7 apps. I figured that the OS was using more of the physical memory now, since I had read about changes to memory management etc. So, I pulled out Apple Hardware test DVD and ran it. It revealed that a few memory modules I had purchased a few years back were defective, and I never knew it because 10.4 never used the all the available DRAM. Luckily, the DRAM had a lifetime warranty, and the company replaced it for free. I could have instantly blamed Apple, but I tried to find out what the problem was first, which saved me time and embarrassment.

Sep 8, 2011 3:40 AM in response to Bob Jacobson

I wrote a review on OS X lion in my blog that tries to cover the lesser reported features that save me a little bit of time. Also I list the Cons of the OS as I noticed them. I should update it so I can include the workarounds I have found and even more annoying Lion tricks... hehe.


https://noivad.wordpress.com/2011/09/02/os-x-10-7-lion-review/


My favorite new GUI tweak: pop up definitions. My favorite Under the hood improvement: An Enhanced Multithreaded Finder.

Sep 8, 2011 5:07 AM in response to Michael Ruiz2

If you have allowed proper airflow and it still fried, then Lion simply revealed a hardware defect.


Okay, next time it happens -- I hope never -- I'll blame Apple for producing hardware that couldn't handle Lion. Huh?


Divvying responsiblity for a crash, from the user's POV, only makes sense in a situation where an OS made by one manufacturer (e.g., Windows) is running on a PC made by another (e.g., an Acer or a Dell or whatever). Then it's an issue which is more responsible.


Apple makes complete systems. It maintains control of, and takes responsibility for, the OS and the platform. When my Mac and many others' Macs experienced problems after installing Lion, it didn't matter to us whether it was our hardware or Lion that was most responsible. That's academic. Apple hardware and OS are a system and in this case, they go down together. You are then deprived of your computer, not just a logic board or an OS, for two weeks or more -- and if your Mac's out of warranty or you don't have AppleCare, you may pay quite a lot.


Which element, hardware or OS, is responsible only matters to potential future Lion users who might unknowingly have "weak" hardware or be asked to install an unexpectedly "overdriving" OS. They want to know the odds, which is what we're discussing here. Unfortunately, when the failure is complete and the hardware dies, the evidence usually disappears in Apple's morgue. I didn't think to ask to keep my parts, but to be honest, not much could be told from them in that state anyway.


Am I right? Are you right? Who knows? Will I put Lion on another of my machines and risk a second catastrophic failure? Not unless (a) Lion is demonstrably less risky, and (b) it offers more benefits than the trivial few so far noted, and many fewer interface flaws. But thanks for the conversation. Let's keep comparing.

Sep 8, 2011 5:23 AM in response to Bob Jacobson

Bob Jacobson wrote:


Sorry, I don't buy your Lion defense. When I installed Lion, the Air's CPU probably did go over 125%, else why the sudden burn-up? Apple kept the toasted logic board. I guess we'll never know for sure what Lion is really capable of until its full story is told, if ever,

Well, so did my Snow Leopard 10.6.0 installation. 100% CPU all the time. I've got my fans at top gear for two years. With Leopard it was fine. Still, as I proved to myself, it was a thermal problem, not an OS one.


It would be interesting to understand why SL doesn't work fine in my system while Lion does, and vice-versa in your. Still I keep believing that any HW issue is HW related (pretty Occamist, isn't it? 😀). The OSes have little to do with them apart, in some cases, pushing the systems.

Sep 8, 2011 5:37 AM in response to Bob Jacobson

Bob Jacobson wrote:


What are those miraculous improvements in the guts of Lion? I'm seriously interested to hear from someone(s) if all the speculation is right or wrong.

This (CPU monitor from iStat Menus). Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GHz:


User uploaded file


In Slow Leopard it is a roller coaster (I don't feel like to reboot and take another screen shot. Buf if you really want it..). Note that Safari, Mail, Terminal, System Preferences, Finder <!> and other stuff are running. They do not show in the top 5 list.


Only Safari is using too much memory. But that pretty much happened in SL as well.

Sep 8, 2011 5:42 AM in response to Michael Ruiz2

Hi Michael,


you talk about Finder Improvements but apparently this is only about (yet another) button/slider layout and the toolbar. I wonder whether the Finder has overcome some of the annoying issue in SL:


- still a mystery whether a certain Finder window keeps the view settings or not. I dont know how often I tried to convince the "Applications Folder window to show me "versions" instead of the "comment" field. Never sticky in SL. In Lion?


- since 10.4 OSX lost the feature to assign specific view options for smart folders. Back again in Lion?

Sep 8, 2011 5:46 AM in response to Michelasso

This argument that "a lot of things has changed under the hood" is soo lame and repeated with every OSX cycle.


Yes there might be some improvements but often this is just an excuse to force Users to buy updates for all their major applications once again. I do not see one technical reason why an OS API cannot be 100% downward-compatible (of course providing new features only to new Lion Apps..)

Sep 8, 2011 6:08 AM in response to Bob Jacobson

Bob Jacobson wrote:


If you have allowed proper airflow and it still fried, then Lion simply revealed a hardware defect.


Okay, next time it happens -- I hope never -- I'll blame Apple for producing hardware that couldn't handle Lion. Huh?

Not really. Blame Apple for making few bad products. Who ever said that Apple can't make pieces of junk? It does. Your logic board was most likely defective. Some MBP NVIDIA chips seem to be defective as well and only Lion new kernel extensions made it visible. In many White MacBooks like mine Apple used the lowest quality thermal paste, really making the system heating. Funny enough it never fried, even reaching peaks of 95 C. The early MBAs had overheating issues as well that seemed to be fixed with a firmware update (or more). Otherwise we can talk about the White MB keyboard bug not always catching the first key pressed, the LCD displays blinking/flashing, and so on.

Sep 8, 2011 6:17 AM in response to Emilia

Emilia wrote:


This argument that "a lot of things has changed under the hood" is soo lame and repeated with every OSX cycle.


Yes there might be some improvements but often this is just an excuse to force Users to buy updates for all their major applications once again. I do not see one technical reason why an OS API cannot be 100% downward-compatible (of course providing new features only to new Lion Apps..)

Well... if you have time you may want to read the 19 pages of the Ars Lion Technical Review. That explains it all.


John Siracusa, the writer, really did a titanic job. Best OS X Lion reference ever.

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