Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

I find that main cause of my RSI is mouse clicking. It affests the wrist muscles. Typing is much less of a problem.

Tom in London wrote:

I find that main cause of my RSI is mouse clicking. It affests the wrist muscles. Typing is much less of a problem.

Sorry to hear about that. I agree that the lack of a hotkey for Versions can be disrupting (and dumb from Apple not to make a default one. I am not saying Lion is perfect). You may want to try to assign the "command-shift-S" hotkey as I described in the previous post. It works. After that to have it working as before you should do "Command-Shift-S" and then "Command-S" even if this still leaves the original document open. Ler's say that as it is now Versions isn't well implemented.

Kittenmommy wrote:

I've had Lion since it was released, and I still have to stop and think about what I'm doing when I try to edit a .pdf in Preview. I have to think about each step along the way and sometimes I sill screw it up and have to go searching in the "Pictures" folder for the file I was trying to export to the desktop, because that folder is the default and there's no way to change it...

If I understood correctly it is not Versions that is broken, but Preview. It always keeps Desktop as the default folder to save the duplicated files. TextEdit, for example, doesn't. I duplicated a document in the Documents folder and after restarting TextEdit saving another duplicated file it used Documents as the default folder. I am afraid it is a bug in Preview.

Then to be honest, Preview is not exacty a tool for editing documents. Especially the nasty PDF files. As its name says it should be used just to view the files. I even wonder why Apple added some editing functionalities to it. You may want to give it a look to Skim, as suggested by Softwater. Otherwise you may check this list of free tools for PDF files manipulation.

I'm quite impressed with Skim so far (albeit its only been a day or two).

It's got the same look and feel as Preview, some added functionality for annotations which I like and doesn't support all the malware features OS X Lion added in.

Michelasso wrote:

Kittenmommy wrote:

I've had Lion since it was released, and I still have to stop and think about what I'm doing when I try to edit a .pdf in Preview. I have to think about each step along the way and sometimes I sill screw it up and have to go searching in the "Pictures" folder for the file I was trying to export to the desktop, because that folder is the default and there's no way to change it...

If I understood correctly it is not Versions that is broken, but Preview. It always keeps Desktop as the default folder to save the duplicated files.

No, it doesn't. The default is the "Pictures" folder, but I want my files on the desktop when I'm working with them.

Michelasso wrote:

TextEdit, for example, doesn't. I duplicated a document in the Documents folder and after restarting TextEdit saving another duplicated file it used Documents as the default folder. I am afraid it is a bug in Preview.

That could be.

Michelasso wrote:

Then to be honest, Preview is not exacty a tool for editing documents. Especially the nasty PDF files. As its name says it should be used just to view the files. I even wonder why Apple added some editing functionalities to it. You may want to give it a look to Skim, as suggested by Softwater. Otherwise you may check this list of free tools for PDF files manipulation.

Maybe I will. This Versions stuff is really driving me nuts!

So again, the question is:

a) Do you not care about this problem because it does not affect a tool that is critical to your workflow (ie - you would care if Apple had removed Terminal instead of SaveAs)?

b) You would accept absolutely ANY feature removal as ulimately a good thing?

Which is it?

Kittenmommy wrote:

If I understood correctly it is not Versions that is broken, but Preview. It always keeps Desktop as the default folder to save the duplicated files.

No, it doesn't. The default is the "Pictures" folder, but I want my files on the desktop when I'm working with them.

Really? Mine defaults to Desktop. And sticks with that. You may want to try removing the file

~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Preview.plist

To access ~/Library in Finder press Command-Shift-G and then type ~/Library. Maybe it has some old settings that is sticking there from Snow Leopard. But yet again, Versions has nothing to do with it. That is a Preview bug.

Michelasso wrote:

Kittenmommy wrote:

If I understood correctly it is not Versions that is broken, but Preview. It always keeps Desktop as the default folder to save the duplicated files.

No, it doesn't. The default is the "Pictures" folder, but I want my files on the desktop when I'm working with them.

Really? Mine defaults to Desktop. And sticks with that. You may want to try removing the file

~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.Preview.plist

To access ~/Library in Finder press Command-Shift-G and then type ~/Library. Maybe it has some old settings that is sticking there from Snow Leopard.

Thanks, I'll try that. Edited to add: Not sure how it could be "sticking there from Snow Leopard", since I've always had Preview default to saving to the desktop. Lion changed it somehow.

Edited again to add: Trashed the file and nope, Preview still defaults to exporting to "Pictures". I have to change it each time when I want to export something to the desktop.

Michelasso wrote:

But yet again, Versions has nothing to do with it. That is a Preview bug.

Guess what? I still hate Versions! Why are you trying so hard to sell me on it? Did you design it or something?? 😝

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<Guess what? I still hate Versions! Why are you trying so hard to sell me on it? Did you design it or something??>

Ha ha. I think it was designed by his Mom.

No offence Michelasso but you do seem sentimentally attached to it.

BTW KittenMommy when it comes to saving files as something else, somewhere else, you might like to try Default Folder. Lion has screwed it up a bit but I know they're working on a fix. DF lets you save anything you want to wherever you like.

Tom in London wrote:

<Guess what? I still hate Versions! Why are you trying so hard to sell me on it? Did you design it or something??>

Ha ha. I think it was designed by his Mom.

You know, I almost typed that but changed my mind at the last minute! 😁

Kittenmommy wrote:

Michelasso wrote:

Edited again to add: Trashed the file and nope, Preview still defaults to exporting to "Pictures". I have to change it each time when I want to export something to the desktop.

Sorry about that. Then I don't know. It might be fixed in the next release if it used to default to Desktop. Defaulting to Pictures is not correct.

Guess what? I still hate Versions! Why are you trying so hard to sell me on it? Did youdesign it or something?? 😝

It must be a compusive disorder. I feel the urge to correct people when they say something I am sure it isn't correct. We could talk about the lasagna recipe and I would do the same. Because I know you guys don't do it right!! 😀

Tom in London wrote:

No offence Michelasso but you do seem sentimentally attached to it.

Nah. I don't take offence for easy jokes like that. Also because my mom knows just -1 about computer. But as you could guess, she does make lasagna right!! Which is much more important than Versions. 😝

Michelasso wrote:

Kittenmommy wrote:

Guess what? I still hate Versions! Why are you trying so hard to sell me on it? Did youdesign it or something?? 😝

It must be a compusive disorder. I feel the urge to correct people when they say something I am sure it isn't correct.

So... I don't really dislike Versions, I just think I do? Seriously?? 😕

Well, I'm glad we have you around to "correct" these things! 😝

Kittenmommy wrote:

So... I don't really dislike Versions, I just think I do? Seriously?? 😕

Well, I'm glad we have you around to "correct" these things! 😝

****... logic isn't in the house, today. I was saying that it isn't Versions to be bugged, but Preview. Without Versions Preview would probably have had the same exact bug. What would you have blamed then?

If you don't like Versions it's ok with me. That's subjectve, your loss (I hate vegetables but I don't claim that they are not goof for the health). But that it isn't Versions messing up your workflow because Preview is defaulting to Pictures folder is objective. Thus blame Preview and use a better tool. Many also come Versions free so all of your problems in this subject would be solved.

See? I am trying to help, not to convince you that Versions is good. With the time you spent b*tching about Versions you could have already tested 5 different tools! 😀

Michelasso wrote:

Kittenmommy wrote:

So... I don't really dislike Versions, I just think I do? Seriously?? 😕

Well, I'm glad we have you around to "correct" these things! 😝

****... logic isn't in the house, today. I was saying that it isn't Versions to be bugged, but Preview. Without Versions Preview would probably have had the same exact bug. What would you have blamed then?

That bug is separate from the issues I have with Versions. And thanks for implying that I'm illogical!

Michelasso wrote:

If you don't like Versions it's ok with me. That's subjectve, your loss (I hate vegetables but I don't claim that they are not goof for the health). But that it isn't Versions messing up your workflow because Preview is defaulting to Pictures folder is objective. Thus blame Preview and use a better tool. Many also come Versions free so all of your problems in this subject would be solved.

I also hate how Versions messes up my workflow in TextEdit, which is why I've stopped using it entirely. MS Word has lots of problems, but Versions isn't one of them (well, not yet anyway).

Michelasso wrote:

See? I am trying to help, not to convince you that Versions is good. With the time you spent b*tching about Versions you could have already tested 5 different tools! 😀

Yes, I do nothing all day long but complain about Versions. We need an eyerolling icon.