Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

Ive been using iCloud for over a week, and iOS 5 for that long too and its good. Simpler then MobileMe and seems to he solid. The buggyiness I have had with Lion was bad but only in Mail and that I think had to do with my imap accounts being like they were. Chenged things, rebuilt the account and all is good. Im even liking the new Mail client more then SL Mail which is a trip because at first I hated it.

I knew that was Bob and it was at most half jokingly said. He is certainly entitled to say whatever he wants since he seems to be among the most qualified to speak about Apple and OS issues here.

I said, “It's more likely 1% of Lion users who are not having issues.” And, “So you think 99% of users have the same experience with Lion that you’ve had?” First, that was not meant to be taken literally it was sarcastic, and secondly, it was turning your words back on you, “… 99% of Mac users should have the same issues? Mine has been constantly at top performances with low CPU usage for months, now.”

The 1% reference came from keats2010 who was knocking, “… Tom and his mates …” (in response to you) and to whom I was responding.

“Don't listen, just update. You will love it!”

Until you discover your workflow is compromised.

“Don't listen, just update. You will love it!”

If you use your Mac like an iPad or like an iPhone.

Dr.Head wrote:

“Don't listen, just update. You will love it!”

Until you discover your workflow is compromised.

“Don't listen, just update. You will love it!”

If you use your Mac like an iPad or like an iPhone.

"Don't listen, just update. You will love it!" strikes me as just as irresponsible and reckless as the people who come on here and say, "Don't upgrade! Your computer will implode, your house will burn down, and your children will die!".

Do your research. Read and learn from others' experience both here and elsewhere. Prepare yourself and your computer as thoroughly as possible.

This isn't rocket science, folks.

Zo... did anyone update to 10.7.2? How do you like it? It's a pretty large update, 800MB or so. It seems many bugs should be eventually gone!! Impressions? 🙂

Impressions fine here but I have been having few problems with Lions anyway.

... I went back to Snow Leopard (for that amongst other reasons).

Wow, was that a relief, by the way. Never really appreciated how good it was till I nearly lost it!

As someone who really wanted to love Lion -- I downloaded and installed it on my Air the very first day it became available, and chucked it three weeks later after my fried Air finally was returned to me -- I have to say the same thing. I came back to Snow Leopard reluctantly, but after reinstalling and using SL attentively, I have to say: the relief in not having to futz over everything and make apologies for this and for that has been palpable. Some people like this feature on Lion, some people like that feature, but the only compelling case for its existence is iCloud, and it's not for me. I like more personal control over my data.

As for Keating's continuing verbal assaults on anyone who dissents with him/her, these Forums are not the only place people have expressed concerns about Lion. It's rated 3.5 stars in the Apple Store. When I see a 3.5 star-rated app in MacUpdate, I skip it. Most people do. On the other hand, some people detect faster speeds, etc., with Lion -- no substantiation on that count, but it's possible and besides, totally subjective in terms of use -- so to each his or her own.

I'm really eager to see what's next after Lion. That will be the telltale whether Apple is still in computers or whether it's become a consumer electronics firm. If the latter, I hope it will spin off a heavy-user division. (Are you reading this, Tim Cook?)

10.7.2 is much snappier. If you have been using Lion and are not one of the multitude who hate it and want Snow back, update to 10.7.2. It will make a great OS even better.

😉 cornelius

Michelasso wrote:

Zo... did anyone update to 10.7.2? How do you like it? It's a pretty large update, 800MB or so. It seems many bugs should be eventually gone!! Impressions? 🙂

Installed earlier on my MBP and Kittendaddy's white MacBook, and it seems to be working fine on both computers! 😁

I love all the new features of Lion but my 2008 MBP has been pretty unstable with freezes and crashes. I had none of this with Leopard. I did not get around to installing Snow Leopard.

This 2008 MBP with Lion is actually a replacement for my old one with Leopard, which died suddenly. This replacement one came with Lion installed which the guy I bought this MBP from said installed just fine.

But I really do like the the enhancements to the user experience in Lion. Many things that have been on my wish list for a long time.

I do not like that Software Update now handles installs in a completely blind fashion. No "Advanced Install" or "Options." I just had an issue with that trying to install an HP 4700 series printer for some friends. There was no way to set up the machine on the wireless network because everything was handled by Softward Update. I resorted to using a Win7 machine to run the setup and install and I'm sorry to report that it went without a hitch. Once the printer was attached to the network, I was able to use the Software Update installed driver and see the printer. Now, this is probably a fault of HP's for not having a better installer to use with Software Update, but the Win7 installer did prompt me with the various choices I was not given by Software Update.

Anyway, Lion is relying heavily on Software Update, especially for all the Print and Scan stuff and I definitely had a total failure of the installer.

FWIW, my experience with Lion:

Late 2007, 7,1 iMac with just 2 gigs RAM

DSL download about 6 hours

Intall, flawless.

Software update: about 7 hours for 10.7.2 update, iPhoto update and iTunes update

Update install flawless.

Not much time to evlauate, but so far, so good, no freeze, no crashes; I'd say Safari can be sluggish and overall boot time has increased as noted by others. Keyboard and mouse responding and Time Machine cataloging.

I do have CanoScan Model 9950f which does not have updated driver provided by Canon, but works just fine with version driver 4.9.3.4

I note FlipShare is not supported by Lion and Cisco is ending this, eventually, so I will see if iPhoto can import video form Flip video-cam?

I was pleased with Snow Leopard and really feared upgrading an "older" computer, but do rely on tools of MobileMe which is transitioning to iCloud, so, alas, get on the train or stay in the station.

I don't recommend Lion at all.

The initial upgrade caused a collosal system failure. I maintain my machines. I run disk utility, drive genius and generally treat them with a great deal of love and tenderness. Sure, I use them often and occasionally push them pretty hard, but, all of my hardware (2 MBPs and an 24" iMac) look brand new and under Snow Leopard, worked like brand new.

So really, other than the fact that they were in constant use, my three machines were ideal candidates for upgrading to Lion - or so I thought.

Initial installs all failed and corrupted the system, thus rendering each machine unusable. After repeated attempts on each machine (8 hours on average) I finally had them all running Lion. Performance has been poor on each one since the upgrade. Beachballs, hanging, crashes, app crashes, and generally far slower than I'm used to.

Furthermore, while the 10.7.1 update did manage to bring about slight improvements, the 10.7.2 has rendered one of the MacBooks a complete brick - 3 attempts thus far, each of them taking well over 6 hours (because the install gets to the "Moving items into place... | Time remaining: About 1 minute" each time and sits that way for well over 5 hours... ...until I eventually give up and force a restart to a machine that no longer boots.

I've been a Mac user since 1989. I've owned dozens of machines. I don't think I've ever seen anything from Apple as poorly executed as OS X Lion. And I don't mean this about the features that some like, some don't like, etc... My concern is entirely embedded in the fact that it's very complicated to install and that the failure rate during these installations is so **** high. (I suspect that has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that we're not installing off of media and are instead installing off of a partition. Big mistake. Huge.)

You can like Lion's features, you can hate Lion's features... ...but before you can do either, you have to actually be able to use Lion. That's the part that doesn't work and that's a big problem.

I'll be reverting two of the machines to Snow Leopard and will skip 10.7.2 because I don't have another 6+ hours to waste on a 4th installation attempt.

I was pleased with Snow Leopard and really feared upgrading an "older" computer, but do rely on tools of MobileMe which is transitioning to iCloud, so, alas, get on the train or stay in the station.

iCloud is an unknown quantity. Based on my MobileMe experience, and now people's experience with Lion's versioning and auto-saving, it probably won't be the best technical solution for auto-networking and updating, putting aside security and private issues. Apple seems to want to become the AT&T of computing, to own the network, its content, and its users. Good luck with that. I don't do business with AT&T.

Now that Steve's passed (we all miss him), is it okay to acknowledge that Apple is America's second wealthiest corporation (after ExxonMobil), a status that induces certain grandiose, imperial impulses?

I useSynk Pro to auto-synch my computers easily and flawlessly, without intervention, including what used to be MobileMe functions. MobileMe did not perform well, it had that awful iOS interface, and it cost about 3X what the professional version of Synk cost. I use Box.netto securely store and share data too sensitive for Google or Facebook. It's earned my trust.

I didn't buy these products as competition for Apple products (there were none) -- nor did their developers foresee competing with Apple -- but rather as products that make my Apple computers work better. If it's now not enough for Apple merely to rake off via the Apple Store the profits of independent developers with good ideas and ability, but it also needs to compete with them -- further diluting its focus on "insanely great" computers per se -- that's a big fork in the road.

As to iCloud specifically, there's this little issue:

BlackBerry maker headed for failure? CBS News, October 13, 2011:

The worldwide system failure that hit BlackBerry users in the U.S. on Wednesday couldn't have come at a worse time for Research In Motion (RIM), the company that makes the BlackBerry. The device, which not long ago was a must-have for anyone who wanted to stay connected, has been quickly falling behind other smartphones.

Not saying that Apple is R.I.M., but as others have noted, Apple's networking services (iTunes, etc.), while dominant based on nice design and ease of use, are also prone to various "anomalies."

Now imagine you have a big meeting, your presentation is in the iCloud (or any cloud), and the iCloud servers or connections to them go down.

Who's going to be left at the station?

(It is really painful to have cherished Apple's products for so long, to have been its advocate and helped it make substantial sales -- as it deserved to do -- only to see the company morphing into an unrecognizable melange of "stuff." What's the plan? Where's it going? Apple Fellow Alan Kay thought of the Dynabook, the predecessor to the MacBook line, the iPad, and the iPhone in 1968. So what's new? Greater access to one-shot wonder bands and cat pics? Angry Birds XIV? Oceans of texting? Apple can do better. A lot better. Starting with an insanely great OS.)

The most idiotic thing of iCloud is that signing off from

iCloud deletes local copies of a lot of things. Is this

dumb or what? I thought the idea is to keep local

copies on all devices the same. Sorry Apple, iCloud

is not for me.

BTW, 10.7.2 still has not addressed iTunes movie playback

on my Mini. Guess I will have to bite the bullet and replace

all my iTunes movies and TV shows with RELIABLE DVD's

and BluRays.

Bob Jacobson wrote:

I use Box.netto securely store and share data too sensitive for Google or Facebook. It's earned my trust.

Cool!!! Another free 5GB! The problem will be to keep track of all this free cloud's boxes, now!

Gonna test it. 🙂