Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

I had he misfortune of updating one of my 5 macs to Lion. I thought the whole Icloud thing would help.

First thing I discovered is that Back to My Mac only works between 10.7 Lion installed computers. So now my Snow Leopard computers can't screen connect to my Lion computer.

I knew going in that older PowerPC applications where not going to work so I accepted that reluctantly.

But Lion brings a bunch of other realy annoying an disapointing cosmetic changes.

First is and most notably is the Finder page window. All icons on the left side are now monochrome. If you had a file or a an application of folder, it looks nothing like what it originally looks like before you dropped it in. All items on the left side of finder windows are boring monocrhome blue grey. So It makes it twice as hard to figure out what your looking for. For example Adobe Flash is a red icon looking Application. In Snow Leopard it just stands out and i can zero in on it. Just as an extra firewire drive that is that radio active yellow. Well with Lion everything looks the same. Drag Adop Flash application it to the left and now it;s got a different blue grey icon look to it. Drives folders an Apllication all blend together.

Mail has been redone in the same fashion. Everything is monochrome and looks the same.

Also any application that had a window with a little buttom on the top right of the window is now gone. You would click the little oval button and it would open up many options that could be hidden as you toggled back and forth. That's totally gone. Now you have to go to the top menu bar and do a window like selection.

It's almost as if a Microsoft crony has taken conrtol of this OS.

Unfortunately I have done a lot of work on my Lion computer and will have to live with it. But no way in h e l l am i condmeing and throwing away the smooth clean operation of Snow Tiger.

iCloud is also a step back. Half the features of Mobile Me are gone. I am so p* off at this mistake. I hope Apple best days are not behind us now.

It's time to get out of the cloud and back to reality. Fix this pathetic OS which has taken away half the features that i loved

jacques_usa wrote:

Unfortunately I have done a lot of work on my Lion computer and will have to live with it. But no way in h e l l am i condmeing and throwing away the smooth clean operation of Snow Tiger.

Of what now? 😁

I got on this thread to check whether it was worth thinking about upgrading to Lion.

Obviously not.

To my opinion, with the Cloud there is a try to impose a user to accept what is given, not what the user has loved in the system of Galleries, iWebs and other Apps - which, of course are potentially more cumbersome and costly to maintain than the Cloud - and give too much decision-power for the user.

I agree with jacques_usaI that it seems mac/apple is going backwards towards how windows is and that is a shame.

I dislike the idea of having to synchronize everything and have a push system where EVERYthing is fed into ALL of my devices. I wish to keep them separate, but I still like the Mac environment, and I hope I do not have to put this into the past tence.

Having scrolled through maybe 10% of the comments and discussions - or rather expressions of hurt or hurting - I would be happy to see some developer reactions in tangible forms of improvement of the system - and taking into account the users desires, too. Not just the devoted engineer-users, who seem to wish to change everything into what they envisage being automatical and thus "simpler" - but also to hear those, who wouldn't wish to get so nerdy that they need to spend a night over their macs whatever they be, to solve the problem caused by these changes towards "simplicity" and "smoothness".

As to the PowerBook / MacAir and systems incompatibility: to me it is a weakness of development, if we can not use the older and really excellent hardware (maybe too excellent) together with the newer ones, as the software has no compatibility. That is pouring muck on the loyal user and slapping them on the face, openly. Stop with that or otherwise it is the start of a downhill.

What a load of codswallop.

To my opinion, with the Cloud there is a try to impose a user to accept what is given, not what the user has loved in the system of Galleries, iWebs and other Apps

If you think iCLoud is imposed then don't use it. It's no more imposed than the Galleries, iWeb and so on, all of which are available from other providers in a myriad of formats. What imposition? iCloud gives you more choice not less.

I dislike the idea of having to synchronize everything and have a push system where EVERYthing is fed into ALL of my devices.

Well Duh! Then don't use it. How hard is that? Or if you want to use it on some devices, enable on those and not on the other ones. See? Choice. Or use another provider. See? Choice.

Regards

TD

I've been trying to troubleshoot this problem since it's been causing me a lot of downtime the past few weeks.

I've got 14 files in my /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports directory. Six kernel panices ( between the 4th October and the 27th October [today!]) as well as a crash file from the 18th of October and five shutdownStall files.

They all look different, but I wondered if there was anything common and interesting. So I did this:

cat * | sort | uniq -c | sort -n

This gives a count of how often the same lines appear. Obviously some are just standard information, so not interesting. The most common similar lines were:

32 14 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x30a4c7c]

32 18 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x30a4c7c]

32 44 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x10a4af0]

32 44 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x10a494f]

32 9 start_wqthread + 13 (in libsystem_c.dylib) [0x104708b85]

33 14 ??? [0x93333f4]

33 18 ??? [0xa0013f4]

33 14 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x30991da]

33 18 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x30991da]

33 14 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x3098f72]

33 18 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x3098f72]

33 9 workqueue_exit + 1616 (in mach_kernel) [0xffffff80005a1680]

33 UID: 503

34 40 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x1014e5d]

34 40 ipc_mqueue_receive_continue + 0 (in mach_kernel) [0xffffff80002158b0]

35 40 ??? (in libsystem_c.dylib) [0x9c3f7ed9]

35 14 ipc_mqueue_receive_continue + 0 (in mach_kernel) [0xffffff80002158b0]

35 40 ??? (in libsystem_c.dylib) [0x9c3fb6de]

36 44 ipc_mqueue_receive_continue + 0 (in mach_kernel) [0xffffff80002158b0]

37 44 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x1014e5d]

38 14 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x30a4af0]

38 18 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x30a4af0]

38 14 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x30a494f]

38 18 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x30a494f]

38 44 _pthread_start + 335 (in libsystem_c.dylib) [0x90061ed9]

38 44 thread_start + 34 (in libsystem_c.dylib) [0x900656de]

40 18 ipc_mqueue_receive_continue + 0 (in mach_kernel) [0xffffff80002158b0]

43 14 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x3014e5d]

43 18 ??? (in libserver.dylib) [0x3014e5d]

44 14 _pthread_start + 335 (in libsystem_c.dylib) [0xa97ed9]

44 18 _pthread_start + 335 (in libsystem_c.dylib) [0xa97ed9]

44 14 thread_start + 34 (in libsystem_c.dylib) [0xa9b6de]

44 18 thread_start + 34 (in libsystem_c.dylib) [0xa9b6de]

51 52 IOWorkLoop::threadMain() + 0 (in mach_kernel) [0xffffff8000638502]

It might be nothing, but I wondered if anybody else had a similar pattern in their crashes.

Also, I thought that it might be interesting to know exactly what routine lives in libsystem_c.dylib at address 0xa97ed9. It might just be the crash dump program, I know, but it might also be the thing that is causing the problem.

Anybody got any ideas about this, or suggestions?

Hi F,

Some of that reminds me of the following thread; you may want to read through it more closely than I have and see if it might apply to your situation:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3429258?answerId=16517747022#16517747022

He obviously meant Snow Leopard,give him a break instead of having kittens over this.I also gather that he would prefer Mobile Me over iCloud as I would. iCloud just doesn't cut it the way the iDisk does in my opinion.

It doesn't work with my 3 Mobile Broaband Prepaid, and it doesn't work with my Lexmark printer: the two things I needed it to do so I am very, very disappointed.

its not Lion!! contact the manufacture of your router and your printer. I know people who have lexmark and it works fine.

Not all Lexmark printers are created equal, though. A newer one may work where an older one doesn't.

Maybe all the printer needs is a new driver?

http://support.lexmark.com/index?page=content&id=OS21&locale=en&userlocale=EN_US

Not recommended. Far too many bugs and not enough upside. Sorry.

I've been with the platform since 1995. This is the worst most unstable

OS I've seen. Hard to believe there's some kind of Unix core underneath.

Hope they fix it soon.

Francisco Bido wrote:

I've been with the platform since 1995. This is the worst most unstable

OS I've seen.

So you don't remember System 8, huh? 😝

They fixed a lot of stuff in 8.5, but 8 was terrible! 😮 I ended up going back to 7.5!

I'm using Lion (v10.7.2) on my mid-2010 MacBook Pro (2.66 GHz Intel Core i7 with 8GB of RAM), and I haven't found any problems so far. I go back to early 1987 with my first Mac, and this OS is certainly not the most unstable version ever. Even my old HP LaserJet 6MP (circa 1996) works flawlessly under Lion.

Furthermore, somebody posted about Lion not working on old PowerPC Macs. Come on, is Apple not supposed to move forward? I have several old PowerBooks and an early Intel MacBook Pro that can't run Lion. So what? They run the latest OS they can and are still productive.

It's interesting that a second generation of commenters is now reciting the same pros and cons as the commenters before them (July-October 2011).

Bottomline: no one has produced a particularly compelling reason for using Lion. But it's not the worse thing in the world. If you like the highly subjective pluses and can tolerate the objective minuses, you may find it of interest. However, I don't see anyone hawking the system anymore. Now the discourse is mainly about dealing with it.

Meanwhile, I'm using Snow Leopard, loving not having to worry about the OS, focusing instead new apps are really hot -- and waiting for OS 10.8...or Lucky 11.0.