Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

office 2011 and 2008 are fine, lots of people have trouble with 2004.

Scottdeee wrote:

Some of them cannot be upgraded, like previous years of TurboTax, and games my grand kids play. Why would I spend even only $30 to upgrade to Lion, if I lose applications I need and can't replace, and must spend hundreds of dollars, and hundreds of hours finding and upgrading those that I can replace. All for a few new bells and whistles? Apple has got to find a more useful way to market OS upgrades.

Regarding TurboTax, my copy of TurboTax Deluxe 2010 works just fine in Lion. No, it won't open files from 2007, but, honestly, I have no reason to have to go back to those files. As for the games, have you looked on the Mac App Store to see if there are updated versions? You might be surprised at what you find, or you might not. You'll never know unless you look.

I see what you mean about the cheesy leather but when you have a lot of windows open it is good to be able to see which is which straightaway. Much web design is Skeuomorphic, e.g. a digital diary looks like an old-fashion desk diary when there is no need (apart from recognisability, which is arguably an important consideration).

Sorry... I don't! And I am WARNING ALL THE TEACHERS NOT TO DO IT!!!. I think most teachers, like me, have their school files with Microsoft Office for Mac or AppleWorks. Now with OS X Lion all those documents are useless; YES EVEN APPLEWORKS files 😠. I am lucky to have Pages and could open some of the work in files but some personal and students' research documents to be graded in Word format appeared chunked, incomplete or with illustrations/maps missing after all their hard work and is incongruent going to the startup disk to the previous system. What is the point of upgrading then?

If this is your first Mac, yes OS X Lion is good but if you are planning to upgrade: NO, stay or return to Snow Leopard OS 10.7

It is my first real deception since my first Macintosh (1989). It is true that there were some changes later with OS 8, OS 9, and all the OS X's but those were different times. Schools in California have been impacted with budget cuts. My small school district lost 60 teachers and got seven furlough days and, of course, salary reduction. So the "buy ...Office 2011..." suggestion for me, at this time, does not work. If Apple does not fix all these "simple" details OS X Lion is going to have unsatisfied customers.

I agree, I have installed Lion in 3 Mac Book Pros with NO issues. All programs are running as before.

I am WARNING ALL THE TEACHERS NOT TO DO IT!!!. I think most teachers, like me, have their school files with Microsoft Office for Mac or AppleWorks. Now with OS X Lion all those documents are useless; YES EVEN APPLEWORKS files 😠.

It is shocking to hear that "most teachers" are still using AppleWorks in their classes. Are the students also scratching on stone tablets with a sharp stick when they need to write something down? No wonder America is raising a generation of illiterates!

You can get Office for Mac 2008 for about $90 from Amazon: <http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Office-2008-Student-Version/dp/B000X86ZAS/ref=sr _1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311528068&sr=8-1>.

Office for Mac 2011 is available for about $120 <http://www.amazon.com/Office-2011-Home-Student--Family/dp/B003YCOJAI/ref=sr_1_1? ie=UTF8&qid=1311528250&sr=8-1>.

Pages, Numbers and Keynote are all available on the Mac App Store for $20 apiece. Surely those prices will not break your budget. You're using obsolete software. Either upgrade the software or don't upgrade your OS.

I've got my own problems. My 95 dodge can't burn the 25 gallons of bio-fuel I put into it last night. 😉

Does anybody recommend OS X Lion"

Let me answer this way: after three days of testing, I'm throwing out my older snow leapord cloned back up and starting a new one with Lion. I have activly been TRYING to break it, and I am simply not having the problems others are. I don't really use powerpoint, but word and excel work as good as ever. The genstures work fine on my mac (though I could never get used to the 'reversed' way, it's just not natural to me - but it was easy to set it back in preferences). I did switch the side bars to 'always on' because I still use a mouse sometimes. Every program works. I don't really miss the 'bounce' in mail because I haven't been using it for a while anyway (it was a bad idea). The biggest problem I've had so far is I've had to recompile a lot of my old applescript droplets because they were old enough to be complied under PowerPC. It was really no problem at all, just open them the file menu and resave the applet. Worked fine.

I even find I like launchpad. I'm a 'cache flusher' and when I dump the spotlight index it take half an hour for it to work again. I had to open programs manually while it was chugging in the bacground. Not with launchpad. I find Mission control very helpful and intuative. I'm not thrilled with some of the 'cosmetic' choices they made (especially in iCal) but that is just cosmetic. I don't know, from my experience I would say try it but don't be stupid. Run a clone of your old system first.

great to have both hands, 10 fingers working.....

instead of 50%

eish, but what a learning curve

Hi Bob,

How's the Mac Air doing on Lion ? I've done the iMac and am rather happy. Just got tricked into the Java issue but a 2 minute call to the Apple hotline got me going again. I'm guessing the Mac Air will do fine (perhaps better) as well.

Let me know.

Kind Regards

ikeup wrote:

I called Apple and rolled back to Snow Leopard 10.6

VMWare fusion wont work, Fotomagico wont work, iSilo wont work, Epson printer software wont work.......I wasn't interested in finding out what else wouldn't work on my MacBook Pro. Wish I had some way to recap my $29.99 i wasted.

Actually... VMWare Fusion _will_ work _if you have the latest version_. I know this for a fact 'cause version 3.1.2 works with Lion here, though not on this machine 'cause I removed Lion from it. And while some Epson (and Canon, and HP) printers (and scanners, and MFDs) won't work, mostly because of driver problems, many do. Which particular Epson do you have, and what doesn't work about it? And have you downloaded the latest Epson printer driver updates?

How old are your versions of iSilo and Fotomagico? I don't use those apps, so I have no idea what their status is, but it is at least possible that a new version might work.

Sgt. Kip wrote:

I am a Apple Fan and I would not recommend taking the leap right now IF you do not have late 2009 or later hardware. We have 2007 or earlier hardware and we cannot file share, home share, print wirelessly, Time Machine back up to 3rd party NAS...that's just what we found so far.

I would never have expected this experience from Apple. Stuff like THIS is the reason why I made the move from Windows. The last 24 hours has been a DISASTER!!!!

The NAS problem is a known problem, as Apple had to get rid of their old SMB software (Samba) because the license was changed to the deliberately Apple-hating GPL3. Apple has created their very own SMB software, SMBX, which in some ways is better than Samba ever was, but in other ways lags. One of the ways is that it doesn't play well with some other SMB systems, such as those on many NASes. (It also has problems with Active Directory installs under Windows Server 2003, but that's a whole other story.) Either Apple or the NAS vendors will probably patch it; several of the more serious faults have already been fixed by NAS vendors (one NAS would go belly-up as soon as a Lion client contacted it, causing all users to lose their connections. There's a patch out to fix that, but many people find out about it only after they vastly increase their popularity with their IT support staff by crashing the NAS and causing IT to have to install patches to get it to work...) <http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20079946-1/synology-to-release-lion-friendly -nas-firmware-add-features/>, <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/22/mac_lion_kills_celerra/>

Scott Nash wrote:

The genstures work fine on my mac (though I could never get used to the 'reversed' way, it's just not natural to me - but it was easy to set it back in preferences). I did switch the side bars to 'always on' because I still use a mouse sometimes.

I think if you are using a mouse and having to click the scroll bar, then the natural direction is going to be tough to overcome.

I forced myself to use the natural direction (with a trackpad) by concentrating on the content and thinking about which way I wanted the content to go. It didn't take more than a couple of days and I don't even think about it any more.

Michael Allbritton wrote:

Barney-15E wrote:

No, Office 2008 won't install. It will run, but the installer is PowerPC.

Actually, no it isn't. Office Mac 2008 installs just fine on Lion since it uses the built-in Installer app Apple provides.

_Newer_ versions of Office 2008 ship with a Universal installer. Older ones (including the version I have) ship with a PPC installer. The installer will not work in Lion, as it requires Rosetta and Rosetta no longer exists. So, yes, if I wanted to reinstall Office 2008 to work in Lion I'd have to reinstall SL first. Facts are facts, man.

So far as I know Office 2011 ships with an Intel-only installer. That will work just fine in Lion.