Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?
I've seen many comments about people having different problems and trouble with the new OS X Lion, does anyone recommend me to download it? My current OS is Mac OS X 10.6.7.
MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.7)
I've seen many comments about people having different problems and trouble with the new OS X Lion, does anyone recommend me to download it? My current OS is Mac OS X 10.6.7.
MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.7)
Charles Dyer wrote:
Do you doubt that the Office 2008 disc exists? If so I'll continue looking for it.
No, I don't doubt that Office 2008 disc exists. That was never the question. I simply asked if perhaps you made an honest mistake. I'm not questioning your honesty.
I tried it but didn't like the trade-offs. I have restored Snow Leopard and will not consider Lion for anything in the near future. Unless you have a really new MAc with MAC-only Apps., you will probably have some problems with this "upgrade". I'd resist and stay with Snow Leopard until Apple works out quite a few kinks in this latest but not greatest OS.
Timothy Rock wrote:
I tried it but didn't like the trade-offs. I have restored Snow Leopard and will not consider Lion for anything in the near future. Unless you have a really new MAc with MAC-only Apps., you will probably have some problems with this "upgrade". I'd resist and stay with Snow Leopard until Apple works out quite a few kinks in this latest but not greatest OS.
I wouldn't say you need a "new" Mac, but the third party apps may make a difference. The best way to know is check with all your software dev guys and see. I have downloaded several updates from my third party apps and that may be the "selling" point of weather to upgrade or not. I believe the majority of the problems are in software and not hardware. Unless you are trying to run Lion on a system not made for it. 10.7.2 may be the earliest Lion will be ready for most people to udate.
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Hi PC2,
I do have new Macs, but I also have a very extensive set of of print and web publishing and photo editing apps/programs that Lion didn't, for the most part, support. Would be crazy to spend days trying to fix everything for a $29.95 "upgrade". Was less time consuming to just get rid of it. Some programs like Quark 9 worked just fine. But others just didn't. I did try Lion for a while, but for what I do, saw no real advantage to keeping it. You know, the economy isn't that robust and most people using Macs in their business just can't dump expensive programs in favor of a similar Apple version just because Apple comes up with some new ideas. Most of the world does not run on Apple. I don't like Lion for two reasons. It won't do what Snow Leopard does for everyman's computer, so where's the improvement? And Apple is trying to cram its programs down our throats by ignoring older software that quite a few people not only still use but depend on. I know this seems blasphemous to some to actually criticize Apple, but it's true. I have used Macs since 1987 but it is only in the last few years do we see this sort of attitude. A while back, Apple made great efforts to go cross platform. Now it seems to be reversing that gracious stride. Turns me off. So I am back to Snowy and I will suggest to others to do the same.
i have to agree with the don't do it faction. my macbook has become virtually unusable after the upgrade. the new features are quite cute, but so were the features that you lose. net gain is about zero, but the problems caused by a slow running system - mail takes about fifteen seconds to show a mail sometimes, safari ten seconds to change already loaded tabs - are massive. i will spend this evening reinstalling snow leopard.
Stuart Grimshaw wrote:
i have to agree with the don't do it faction. my macbook has become virtually unusable after the upgrade. the new features are quite cute, but so were the features that you lose. net gain is about zero, but the problems caused by a slow running system - mail takes about fifteen seconds to show a mail sometimes, safari ten seconds to change already loaded tabs - are massive. i will spend this evening reinstalling snow leopard.
You're problems are not related to Lion. What you describe is not normal for Lion.
I am running a MacBook and the Lion upgrade has been a nightmare. Had to upgrade and reinstall about 50% of my third party programs and now I keep geting programs freezing due to system overload which I can only put down to the new operating system and that includes Safari. Even had had to install a "new" version of itunes. If you dont need it, don't do it. I feel like I am running a windows system at the moment. Could Lion be the Apple Vista????
Michael Allbritton wrote:
Charles Dyer wrote:
Do you doubt that the Office 2008 disc exists? If so I'll continue looking for it.
No, I don't doubt that Office 2008 disc exists. That was never the question. I simply asked if perhaps you made an honest mistake. I'm not questioning your honesty.
I'll try it again when I get to the office today, and then I'll bring the disc home and see if it works with SL.
Crashes, crashes, crashes! My MBP i7 2,66 Ghz, 4 Gb Ram, mid 2010 is absolutely unusable with Lion.
I had something like a kernel panic every 10 minutes. I've reinstalled the good old Snow Leopard and everything is back to the normality. Shame on Apple. They can't sell and promote an instable OS, afflicting the work of thousands of people.
Stuart Grimshaw wrote:
i have to agree with the don't do it faction. my macbook has become virtually unusable after the upgrade. the new features are quite cute, but so were the features that you lose. net gain is about zero, but the problems caused by a slow running system - mail takes about fifteen seconds to show a mail sometimes, safari ten seconds to change already loaded tabs - are massive. i will spend this evening reinstalling snow leopard.
Almost certainly your problems are caused by low-RAM conditions. How much RAM do you have installed? If it is less than 4 GB, then you will encounter low-memory conditions quite often. Your system will slow down, noticeably. This is because Lion uses more RAM than SL does. You can avoid low-RAM conditions several ways.
1 wait for the system to finish indexing. There is a system process named mds which indexes the disk for Spotlight. When you install a new OS, one of the things that happens is that the old index is deleted. The system then runs mds to generate a new one, and this means generating a _complete_ index, which can take some time if you have a lot of stuff. While this is happening mds will grab a _lot_ of RAM. it is not a good idea to interrupt the indexing, doing so may corrupt the index, and then mds will be stuck in a loop trying, and usually failing, to fix it, and you will have to delete the index and start over. Once the initial index is created, mds will use far less RAM.
2 be careful when using Safari. Safari was always a memory hog, and now it's become worse. In addition to Safari itself pigging out on your RAM, there's the new sandbox, introduced for security reasons, called Safari Web Content, which is even more of a memory hog. If Safari and Safari Web Content start to eat too much RAM, quit Safari. This will clear the RAM for both of them. When you relaunch Safari it will use far less RAM. Note that over time it will gradually resume its former piggishness, so you will have to periodically quit and restart it.
3 the main system process, kernel_task, gets larger if you have lots of apps and/or extensions running at the same time. It will automatically reduce its memory footprint if you quit apps, but little can be done about extensions. If you are low on RAM you should limit how many apps you open at the same time and you should be careful about installing extensions, which basically would include anything which puts an icon into the menubar: Drive Genius's drive monitor extension, Dropbox, VMWare's extension, Sophos' extension, Little Snitch's extension, Growl's extension, Time Machine's extension... etc. (These are all menubar extensions on my system. I've got a lot more. There's a reason why Lion ain't on my machine.)
You can monitor your RAM usage using Actitvity Monitor, from the /Applications/Utilities folder. It should be noted that 4 GB of RAM is the realistic minimum for Lion, and even then you may run into low-memory conditions. 6 GB or more will avoid a lot of the low-memory problems. If you have 6 GB or more and still have significant problems, then there's something else wrong and you need to get back to us with considerably more detail. That, or to contact Tech Support, 'cause you have a problem, and it's not a Lion problem.
I do not like Lion at all.. My primary machine is a Mac Pro 2009 with plenty of RAM, SSD etc that makes it fast and capable of handling many programs at once - I typically have at least a dozen open if only idling in the background.
With Snow Leopard, everything just worked. Now a lot of programs won't run or don't run properly. I bought a trackpad so that I could use the Lion gestures and while some of these are neat, it takes me longer to use them than to do the same things in Snow Leopard with mouse and keyboard. I consider the changes in UI appearance to be a large step towards ugly and hard to use - Finder is just awful in this respect.
So far I have not seen a single advantage to using Lion and while the new security features will no doubt prove valuable in the future, I never actually had security problems under Snow Leopard.
I worry that this move towards a "harmonisation(?) with IOS is going to screw the Mac experience right royally and I am now seriously thinking of going back to Snow Leopard.
I wonder if Lion will be Apple's Vista? 😟
fdsaadfd wrote:
I am running a MacBook and the Lion upgrade has been a nightmare. Had to upgrade and reinstall about 50% of my third party programs and now I keep geting programs freezing due to system overload which I can only put down to the new operating system and that includes Safari. Even had had to install a "new" version of itunes. If you dont need it, don't do it. I feel like I am running a windows system at the moment. Could Lion be the Apple Vista????
If you have a lot of PPC-only apps you are not the target auidence for Lion. There's a reason why Lion's not on my home machine. If you have a memory problem, see earlier posts. Note that _everybody_ is getting new versions of iTunes, and that there are lots more where that came from; iTunes 10.5 is on the way, just for one example.
Now, perhaps you could give a little more detail about your problems and we can see if they are, in fact, due to Lion or to something else.
johnny_83 wrote:
Crashes, crashes, crashes! My MBP i7 2,66 Ghz, 4 Gb Ram, mid 2010 is absolutely unusable with Lion.
I had something like a kernel panic every 10 minutes. I've reinstalled the good old Snow Leopard and everything is back to the normality. Shame on Apple. They can't sell and promote an instable OS, afflicting the work of thousands of people.
They didn't.
Bottom line, if you are having kernel panics, you likely either:
Reinstalling Snow Leopard does not resolve either possible issue and is just putting off solving the bottom line problem you are experiencing.
If you someday reinstall Lion, please create a new thread containing one or more of the panic logs from your system and I or someone else here will likely be able to help you narrow down your issue further.
1) I do not have any hardware issue at all:
a) I've virtually never experienced kernel panics with SL and
b) I've performed lot different harware test on my machine . The results in all the cases are negative for every single piece of hardware.
2) I do not have any third party kernel extension installed on my machine.
3) A new thread about these problems is already open: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3191083?start=0&tstart=0. Lot of people are experiencing the very same kernel panics events on very different machines, all of them after the installation of Lion.
If you want to help, tons of panic logs are posted in there. Good luck!
Anyway I think Apple should seriously think about what is doing ...
Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?