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  • jamesfromvenice Level 1 (0 points)

    After following this issue for many months, my conclusion is that the logic board is a red herring. The problem may have multiple or cascading causes but the LB does not appear to be one of them. Too many users have continued to experience the issue after installation of a new LB. Lion is the single common element in all of the cases, not the LB.

  • jObooW Level 1 (0 points)

    jamesfromvenice wrote:

     

    After following this issue for many months, my conclusion is that the logic board is a red herring. The problem may have multiple or cascading causes but the LB does not appear to be one of them. Too many users have continued to experience the issue after installation of a new LB. Lion is the single common element in all of the cases, not the LB.

    This is not true. Some report problems still occuring after downgrade to SL. Also for some a MLB replacement did fix the problem.

  • jamesfromvenice Level 1 (0 points)

    With all due respect, it certainly is true. The users you refer to did not experience the BSOD prior to upgrading to Lion.  Taking the system back to SL after a Lion upgrade does not eliminate Lion as the common element.

  • jamesfromvenice Level 1 (0 points)

    I can also confirm that comments on this board that implicate Apple as the culpable agent or criticise their handling of the issue are blocked.

  • jObooW Level 1 (0 points)

    That's true, but how could a MLB replacement fix it if it's Lion?

  • jamesfromvenice Level 1 (0 points)

    Who knows? There are so many contradictory and illogical aspects to this problem that it is almost impossible to analyze based soley upon comments on this forum. It could be that the MLB replacement incorporates a fix for the driver issue, or was designed to work with Lion. I wish I knew.

  • jvjv Level 1 (0 points)

    jObooW wrote:

     

    To all not able to solve this problem: help to set up something we can do about this here!

     

    good idea.

  • jvjv Level 1 (0 points)

    jamesfromvenice wrote:

     

    Who knows? There are so many contradictory and illogical aspects to this problem that it is almost impossible to analyze based soley upon comments on this forum. It could be that the MLB replacement incorporates a fix for the driver issue, or was designed to work with Lion. I wish I knew.

     

    THIS.

     

    It's hard having to prove there's something wrong with these computers, when it's obvious there is a problem -- and it's deeper than what they have acknowleged so far.

  • Tommö Level 1 (0 points)

    I couldn't agree more James.

  • exceed450 Level 1 (0 points)

    jamesfromvenice: If you think this issue is isolated to only lion they you are dead wrong, and its very unlikely that its the driver' fault. I ONLY had snow leopard before and this problem occured, i never ever touched lion in any way, get it ? The only reason i upgraded to lion was to see if it fixed the issue. Stop talking about something like you know the answer when you so clearly dont. Because of that i also think its unlikely that this is a lion problem, but a hardware problem.

  • jamesfromvenice Level 1 (0 points)

    You can draw your conclusion from a single personal experience, but I prefer to draw mine from the proponderance of evidence reported by users in general on this forum.

  • exceed450 Level 1 (0 points)

    I never said that james, of course i draw mine from my experience since ive been working with computers for many years, in addition to that of course i take my conclusion from what other people have experienced, how would you solve a problem if you didnt do that. Not interested in arguing with you, i can argue with apple, take your anger out on them instead.

  • jamesfromvenice Level 1 (0 points)

    I apologise if I came across as angry at you. That certainly was not my intention.

     

    Of course, my anger is, as it should be, directed at Apple. Without any meaningful guidance or data from their engineers it is up to us to draw our own conclusions.  Clearly some parts of this puzzle are out of our comprehension, consequently we can only attempt to apply some rational analysis to the data we do have.

  • niknok110974 Level 1 (0 points)

    someone here in the forum suggested to form a group in order to have a good representation against apple.

     

    did it push through?

     

    you can count me in.

  • pikzel Level 1 (0 points)

    Messages like that were deleted. Apple does not like that their customers are thinking of a lawsuit, so they just silence anyone who say anything like that.