Josue Menjivar

Q: OSX 10.7 Safari 5.1 font rendering problem

I'm getting capital letter A's instead of text in Safari 5.1 in Lion. Only on certain site. Anyone out there know what is happening?

iMac, Mac OS X (10.7), 2.8 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo 6 GB ram

Posted on Jul 20, 2011 4:46 PM

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  • by futurejosh,

    futurejosh futurejosh Jul 21, 2011 9:31 AM in response to Josue Menjivar
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    Jul 21, 2011 9:31 AM in response to Josue Menjivar

    Having the same problems on my end. It doesn't make sense that we'd need to turn off fonts to make this work correctly. Those are just temporary fixes. Hopefully we'll have enough folks posting here to make this a huge priority for the next update.

     

    Problems seen:

     

    http://futurejosh.com/downloads/screen1.png

     

    http://futurejosh.com/downloads/screen2.png

  • by BTRI,

    BTRI BTRI Jul 21, 2011 9:51 AM in response to Josue Menjivar
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    Jul 21, 2011 9:51 AM in response to Josue Menjivar

    I have the same problem -- upgraded to 10.7 from 10.6.8 and Safari 5.1 basically can't render any fonts (except the "Last Resort" font of boxed "A"s), yet fonts ARE available to Firefox 5 and also to other Apple apps, like TextEdit. Font Book says I have no duplicates. This is pretty odd, since this is Apple own's browser not being able to access normal web fonts after Apple's own upgrade...

  • by Jeronymus,

    Jeronymus Jeronymus Jul 22, 2011 1:14 AM in response to BTRI
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    Jul 22, 2011 1:14 AM in response to BTRI

    I have the same problems. The fonts that I have installed are:

     

    System/Lib/Fonts/

    • Courier.dfont
    • Geneva.dfont
    • Helvetica.dfont
    • HelveticaNeue.dfont
    • Keyboard.ttf
    • LastResort.ttf
    • LucidaGrande.ttc
    • Monaco.dfont

     

    Lib/Fonts/

    • None

     

    User/Lib/Fonts

    • Arial Bold Italic.ttf
    • Arial Bold.ttf
    • Arial Italic.ttf
    • Arial.ttf
    • Verdana Bold Italic.ttf
    • Verdana Bold.ttf
    • Verdana Italic.ttf
    • Verdana.ttf

     

    No duplicates here but still having the same problems. I made sure no duplicate fonts are activated through FontExplorer.

     

    Now that I see my system fonts listed I realise that the Myriad Pro fonts installed by Adobe are not there. These are needed for the Adobe apps to work correctly.

     

    I wonder if system font Helvetica Neue could be the culprit as I have a lot of Helvetica Neue variants activated...

  • by fromsoest,

    fromsoest fromsoest Jul 22, 2011 3:47 AM in response to Josue Menjivar
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    Jul 22, 2011 3:47 AM in response to Josue Menjivar

    I Had the same problem.

     

    I fixed it by deactivating Verdana TTF and activating Verdana OTF instead.

     

    good luck

  • by Jeronymus,

    Jeronymus Jeronymus Jul 22, 2011 4:17 AM in response to fromsoest
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    Jul 22, 2011 4:17 AM in response to fromsoest

    Has anyone found where the font caches are stored in Lion?

  • by Jeronymus,

    Jeronymus Jeronymus Jul 22, 2011 5:05 AM in response to Josue Menjivar
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    Jul 22, 2011 5:05 AM in response to Josue Menjivar

    FireFox works fine btw. So I wonder if it really has got anything to do with fonts...

  • by fromsoest,

    fromsoest fromsoest Jul 22, 2011 5:10 AM in response to Jeronymus
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    Jul 22, 2011 5:10 AM in response to Jeronymus

    Onyx version 2.4.0b2 will find and clean your fontcaches in Lion.

    I Use FontExplorer Pro to activate and deactivate my fonts.

     

    Firefox worked fine for me too, but Safari only started to work okay after fixing the fonts.

  • by t_w,

    t_w t_w Jul 22, 2011 5:13 AM in response to fromsoest
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    Jul 22, 2011 5:13 AM in response to fromsoest

    Maybe Font Explorer X Pro is part of the Problem.

     

    On my MBP i use a older Version of FontExplorer and i have the Problem like you all.

    But on my iMac i have the newest version of FontExplorer an i dont have any problem.

  • by fromsoest,

    fromsoest fromsoest Jul 22, 2011 5:20 AM in response to t_w
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    Jul 22, 2011 5:20 AM in response to t_w

    I do not think that FontExplorer itself causes the problem. But it does allow you to change font settings, so you may have activated/deactivated certain fonts in the past that now turn out to be crucial for Safari 5.1.

     

    As I said before, I fixed it by deactivating Verdana TTF and activating Verdana OTF instead. All problems are gone now.

  • by ben oktan,

    ben oktan ben oktan Jul 22, 2011 5:21 AM in response to Josue Menjivar
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    Jul 22, 2011 5:21 AM in response to Josue Menjivar

    i had the same problem with 10.7 and safari 5.1 --> and i solved it!

    first i tried to drag the safari folder out of my librabry --> not solved.

     

    but then i realised:

    if you're using any fontmanagement (like font explorer x) deactivate all verdana fonts (or the other microsoft fonts you're using) and restart your mac. in my case the verdana from the folder Library/Fonts/Microsoft was causing the problem...

  • by futurejosh,

    futurejosh futurejosh Jul 22, 2011 7:33 AM in response to Josue Menjivar
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    Jul 22, 2011 7:33 AM in response to Josue Menjivar

    I got a bit anxious about the number of fonts activated on my system so I backed them up and then removed all user installed fonts and deleted my FontExplorerX 2.x and all files associated with it.

     

    I was still having the problem and was unable to empty my trash because of a weird version of Helvetica Neue that was "still in use". I restarted, removed the version of Helvetica Neue and Safari now works fine.

     

    Sorry... I wish I would have screenshot the file name of that version of Helvetica Neue.

     

    I still have the a version of Helvetica Neue that comes with the OS installed and it's activated in Font Book.

     

    This is definitely a bug and Apple will address it in future updates. My advice for those of you who want Safari to work now is to just clean out your fonts (back them up)...and start over.

     

    Hope this helps!

  • by Jeronymus,

    Jeronymus Jeronymus Jul 22, 2011 7:42 AM in response to Josue Menjivar
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    Jul 22, 2011 7:42 AM in response to Josue Menjivar

    Although I had Verdana etc. installed in User/Lib/Fonts I wonder if that directory is still used by the OS.

     

    When I moved them over to HD/Lib/Fonts Safari worked fine again. I have a clean Lion install on a seperate HD and I just put the fonts back as where Lion installed them.

     

    The coming week I will check what font is needed for OS operation and what font isn't. I don't want a huge font list with fonts I don't use, makes it harder to select the fonts I actually need for a certain job.

  • by Josue Menjivar,

    Josue Menjivar Josue Menjivar Jul 22, 2011 8:45 AM in response to Jeronymus
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    Jul 22, 2011 8:45 AM in response to Jeronymus

    lion_font_browser.jpgI don't think it's a font problem. I use Font Agent Pro and I turned off my additional Helvetica Neu fonts from Adobe and it still did not work. I took this screen shot of four other browsers. You can see that the other browsers render the fonts well. It's a Safari thing. I have already dumped preferences, replaced the Safari folder, repaired permissions. I've had it work for only a short while but when I turn Safari back on, it's the same. Lion will have it's growing pains and I'm sure that Apple will resolve this in the next update (which will come quickly). In the meantime, I'll just use another browser.

  • by moskoo,

    moskoo moskoo Jul 22, 2011 9:18 AM in response to Josue Menjivar
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    Jul 22, 2011 9:18 AM in response to Josue Menjivar

    I use Font Agent Pro too, and deactivating every single font did nothing. One thing that seems to work for me, on certain sites only, is to logout of my user and back in (as suggested somewhere else). But after a restart the A's are back.

     

    This tread seems to have a solution down the duplicate fonts road: https://discussions.apple.com/message/15668674#15668674

     

    For me, having to go throught a 3rd party software to clean some cache and checking every font that have not caused me a problem in several years, over different Macs, is not an acceptable solution. I too will be switching to a different browser until Apple get their things sorted out.

  • by BuckshotMessiah,

    BuckshotMessiah BuckshotMessiah Jul 22, 2011 2:04 PM in response to moskoo
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    Jul 22, 2011 2:04 PM in response to moskoo

    Yup - I'm on FontExplorer X Pro, and doing a "total cleaning" actually made things worse - now Google results are all capital "A"s aswell…  Almost funny, if it wasn't so incredibly annoying.

     

    Fire Fox is working fine though, so I'm following your example. I have already spent an unacceptable amont of time trying to fix this myself.

     

    Dissapointing.

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