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  • cp_whaley Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)


    Liquid_015 wrote:

     

    I see. So, how can I import the rest of the 13,000+ emails? And if I import, will it keep my emails intact? Meh, its a bit frustrating that a simple upgrade can ruin my entire email database. >:(

     

    If I reinstall the entire OS, will it wipe everything on my Hard Drive or will it upgrade like normally?

    I don't know if you saw my latest before this one, but if the new Mail is working for you at all, you can always use the Import function.  It's slow and tedious and you have to know how to browse to the location of the mailboxes (i.e. missing messages) that you need, but it works.  I got annoyed doing that yesterday and opted instead to try some other things, like setting up the migration all over again.  I ended up worse off.

     

    I tried the re-install of Lion and that was a total disaster. I guess this is the price we pay for wanting to upgrade on Day 1.

  • William Hamilton Level 1 Level 1 (90 points)

    I am having the same sort of problem.  Specifically, when Mail was initially lanuched, it spent about 15 minutes importing 49,000 emails.  When that was completed, nothing.  Only menubar.  Mails shows as "Not Responding" and I have to Force Quit to quit.  I eliminated the Envelope Indexes as suggested, and that caused Mail to have to re-import the 49,000 emails, another 15 minutes.  Then nothing.  If Mail is doing something, there is not indication, progress bar, spinning wheel...nothing.  Not a very auspicious start to my Lion experience!

  • Liquid_015 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @ Dievy

     

    I appreciated the help! You have been extremely helpful! I really hope Apple fixes this...

     

     

    @cp_whaley

     

    Well, I am able to open mail if I rename my V2 folder from V2-Temp.noindex to V2. However, I lose all of the previous 13,000+ emails. As for importing the old emails how is it such a pain in the butt process, if I don't mind asking.

     

    On another note, is your V2 folder actually named V2 or is it like V2-Temp.noindex?

  • The Ambassador Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    This is exactly what happened to me. I removed the Envelope file as per early posts instructions - and then imported 158K emails - took 30 min - and as soon as the last message was imported the app window closed. Mail was not running in the background however, so no need to force quit. Anxious to get a solution!

  • cp_whaley Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    @cp_whaley

     

    Well, I am able to open mail if I rename my V2 folder from V2-Temp.noindex to V2. However, I lose all of the previous 13,000+ emails. As for importing the old emails how is it such a pain in the butt process, if I don't mind asking.

     

    On another note, is your V2 folder actually named V2 or is it like V2-Temp.noindex?

    I never experienced the V2-Temp situation... just V2. As for the "pain the the butt" bit, once you've navigated to the mailbox or folder of mailboxes you want to import, Mail brings it across within an Import folder (more Import folders sequentially numbered if you import more). I guess that is so they don't overwrite the newer contents with the same mailbox names. Simple navigation doesn't work either, since Lion hides a lot of stuff from us now. The trick I learned from deivy is to go find your mailboxes using the Finder GoTo ~/Library trick, and drag-and-drop your mailboxes into the Mail Import window. Tedious but it works.

     

    Eventually, you're going to have to merge all these imported mailboxes with the ones you already have which are receiving new mail. IT's do-able, just a manual process that could take a long time if you have as many mailboxes as I do for various purposes.

     

    If I ever get Mail to open properly at all, I suspect that I'll fix everything this way. The real problem is that we end up doing manually what this migration process was supposed to do automatically.

     

    I guess the good news is that our original material hasnt been destroyed. The bad news is that the new Mail obviously isn't ready for prime time for those of us with large email databases (I think mine is around 60,000+).

  • Liquid_015 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I see, I think I have 3 mailboxes with around 13,0000+ Emails. That is strange that I am the only one who is experiencing a V2-Temp.noindex. hmmm? Does anyone else have this issue?

  • cp_whaley Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    deivy wrote:

     

    Charles,

    Is the structure of your mail folder inside the library the same as mine?

     

    The structure is almost identical, aside from my larger number of folders/mailboxes.

     

    Some small differences...

     

    * Directly under V2 I also have a AosIMAP-cwhaley folder

     

    * In MailData, I have a CalDAV-cwhaley@me.com folder that you don't have, and a SyncAlert file. I also have an AvailableFeeds.corrupt file that dates back to 2009, so could probably be trashed. I do have the basic AvailableFeeds file like you do.

     

    * Also in MailData, you have a FlagMailboxes.plist that I don't have. You also have -shm and -wal versions of MessageUidsAlreadyLoaded3, whereas I just have the one without the suffixes

     

     

    That's the extent of the differences.

     

    ...Charles

  • deivy Level 4 Level 4 (2,365 points)

    I think you should not be having the problems you are having.

    I don't synch calendars or Address book other than via Mobile Me.

    Do you still have the problems? What does Console say?

  • cp_whaley Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    deivy wrote:

     

    I think you should not be having the problems you are having.

    I don't synch calendars or Address book other than via Mobile Me.

    Do you still have the problems? What does Console say?

     

    I don't think I should be having the problems I'm having either!

     

    Yesterday, I didn't seem to be getting anything in my console with a search on "mail", but right now it looks like I have an infinite loop going on with this message appearing every 30 seconds...

     

    11-07-22 3:14:11.704 PM Mail: An exception occurred during invocation of -[MailboxesController _writeSmartMailboxesToDisk]

    11-07-22 3:14:11.704 PM Mail: *** -[NSSet initWithArray:range:copyItems:]: array argument is not an NSArray

     

     

    My use of SmartMailBoxes was pretty limted before, and could easily be recreated. Do you think I should be removing all references to Smart Boxes in my V2?

     

    ...Charles

  • ebinellis Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    Is your mail issue resolved or are you still having problems?

     

    EE

  • cp_whaley Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    ebinellis wrote:

     

    Is your mail issue resolved or are you still having problems?

     

    EE

    Unfortunately, the problem(s) remain. When I launch the Mail app, I get the bar and menus at the top, but nothing else.  As you can see by backtracking through this, it seems that those of us with large email respositories had trouble with Lion migration... with various different negative consequences.  Some found solutions. Some, like me, have tried all the tricks and am still stuck.

     

    I ran a TM restore of my entire Mail folder (pre-Lion) and fed it to a recently downloaded copy of Thunderbird. I'm getting by with that for now.

  • ebinellis Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    With Mail.app closed:

     

    1. Pull the following folders and files to your desktop:

     

    ~/Library/Mail/

    ~/Library/Mail Downloads/

    ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.plist

    ~/Library/Preferences/com.apple.mail.searchhistory.plist

     

    2. Trash the following folder:

     

    ~/Library/Caches/com.apple.mail/

     

    3. Open Mail.app and setup your mail accounts

    4. File>Import Mailboxes>Apple Mail> point it to import the following folder:

     

    ~/Desktop/Mail/

     

    You should be about as good as you can get.

     

    - *NOTE* You may want to break step 4 into smaller parts, importing the subfolders one at a time if you have a large amount of mail.

     

    I'm curious why you ran into problems, I had 63.45GB of mail spread through 5 folders and 35 subfolders at the time of upgrading to Lion, took a long time but upgraded with no issues.

     

    Sadly there will be no conclusive answer to "why"

     

    EE

  • cp_whaley Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    ebenellis...

     

    I'll try that overnight, but I'm pretty sure I've tried that or something very close to it already.. several times.

     

    My current problem seems to be that right now Mail locks up on launch no matter what. I can't even get to the point of entering account info. 

     

    Anyway, I'll try what you suggested one more time and let you know tomorrow how I've made out.

     

    ...Charles

  • ebinellis Level 3 Level 3 (685 points)

    Have you tested setting up your accounts in the Guest user on your system?

     

    You may have old application files, Startup Items, LaunchAgents, LaunchDaemons, login items or applications causing the issue.

     

    EE

  • William Hamilton Level 1 Level 1 (90 points)

    I have all the same problems discussed above.  I tried your idea of going to a Guest user, and sure enough, Mail works fine.  Added one of my accounts and it retrieved mail as expected.  What does this mean?  Assume I have a corrupted Mail app from the install.  How do I replace or do I have re-install Lion?

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