Q: Lion WiFi Connection Problem

leduch wrote:

 

I don't like to be rude usually but this lupunus guy makes me want to be.

 

Dozens of people in this thread state that they experience problems since they upgraded to Lion and that everything worked fine before and you keep saying it's not a Lion problem?

 

I tried all tricks given and managed to get a working connection in my office but guess what, i did not buy a macbook air to be stucked in my office and i want to be able to connect anywhere in this **** world.

 

Right now i'm at mac donalds and i have to use my iPhone as a modem beacause i can not use their free hotspot. There are 5 others free hotspots in my Wi-Fi list (i'm in the center of Paris) and NONE of them work with my mac. Do you understand that? NONE!

 

Are you stupid enough to think that all those major companies have "infrastructure issues" on their hotspots and that's it's still not a Lion issue?

 

Please believe what you want but don't pollute this thread and don't despise people who experience this problem! Some of them (me included) also have good computer knowledge, you're not the only smart person in this wide world you know.

I am glad you said this, I have worked in IT and computers, wifi networks and the industry for excess of 20 years, like you I have done all things suggested in this thread and a load of others that are allegedly meant to resolve this problem. I even have an open ticket with Apple who have escalated this to the engineers, like you I feel I dont need some one coming over as 'I know everything, and I will solve it - try this' attitude. Also, my iMac has worked flawlessy on SL up until I upgraded, and all the troubleshooting and Apple engineers suggestion have been tried. So I am sorry, this is a LION issue and seems to be related to the wifi driver/card under Lion. There should be no reason to start messing about with any router settings or any other situations, especially if it worked 100% under SL. So please dont preach the 'I know all or everything'   Each persons problem seems to be different or be caused by other things, and whilst some fixes may work for some, preaching the same fix for everyone does nothing to keep those who tried it sane.

Okay, Im not saying that this will work for everyone but it happen to work for me. I ran Onyx for Lion, cleaning out some cache and other things while doing some optimization. Sorry, I didn’t keep track of the particulars.However, when I did a disk repair via command+R during a restart things seem to work fine. I ran the repair on my drive and booyah, no more issues with theWiFi connections. Ive been on wifi now for about 15mins with no issues. Prior to the repair I could not get a full minute in without a disconnect. Can someone else trying doing a disk repair to see if this is the remedy and share with the rest of the community? Heck, if Im right Im officially the Mac King of the Day..ROFL!!! J/K

Hope it helps! Blessings!

Also, starting up in Safe Mode (startup + shift) repairs a lot of stuff and may help. But, in spite of all this, my problem is the LENGTH OF TIME it takes to start WiFi up now - way slower to wake from sleep than my old G4 dual 450, and it's because of the WiFi constantly re-negotiating the ONLY contact in it's vicinity - it is totally stupid, and it's like something dumb that would happen in WINDOWS. It takes from 15 to 30 seconds to wake this machine from start because of the WiFi renegotiating a connection...it's so STUPID. So now, the computer starts up INSTANTLY, within 2 seconds, but then you have to sit there for the damned WiFi. Surely to goodness, especially in my situation where it's the ONLY antennae in the vicinity, can't it just stay connected when it's asleep? Or can't they somehow speed this process up? It's just painful to watch.

Cheers,

Cameron

I agree. To further leduch's point, there are 80,000+ views on this thread... 80,000 people did not visit a thread about how Lion's Wifi is problematic for no reason; this is clearly a serious issue and should be high priority for the next update.

To redress the balance a little, I initially experienced the wifi problems but working through the various suggestions on this thread has cured my problems, I think what tipped the balance of stability was having a clear out of various wifi networks at  Starbucks etc that I have visited periodically and dragging my prime connection to the top of the list, I cannot be certain as during that time I was resetting PRAM, repairing permissions etc but I have had a stable connection for 4 weeks or so now.

At the same time I received the BT Home hub 3 ( in the UK ) which I was warned off but I just plugged it in to replace the HH 2, no software installation and it just worked.

Now if anyone has any tips of getting the boot up time back to what it was with SL I would be very interested !

I totally agree with you.

It takes too long until WLAN is active.

I hope 10.7.2 has a WLAN/Bluetooth - patch.

I don't think the hardware is the problem, because users with snow leopard do not have this issue.

I got off the phone with U.S. Apple Support last week . The Rep said that indeed Apple is aware of the loss of Internet connection and the loss of Wi-Fi connection after awaking from sleep, and the automatic immediate wake from sleep with users of Lion.  He said the problem as the Apple Engineers see it is that instead of Lion putting JUST the monitor and harddrive to sleep as it should, Lion is instead put almost all Sytem Functions to sleep as if you had temporarily turned off the computer.  Thus the delay in re-establishing your connections.

The rep concluded: A fix is almost finished and will soon be available as a "Software Update."

Hang in there guys ;-)

But how can that be? Lupunus guaranteed us that it's just a configuration problem and that NO update is coming from Apple.  *cough*

wackerow wrote:

 

there are 80,000+ views on this thread... 80,000 people did not visit a thread about how Lion's Wifi is problematic for no reason;

80.000+ views does not indicate that 80.000+ people have a Lion WiFi problem.

Even if, in the view of several millions of Lion are sold up to now, its a very low percentage or even in the range of per mill.

And for those are permanently arguing about Lion as the evil and before all was pretty, you invited to take a look on the link below.

https://discussions.apple.com/message/10697801#10697801

Starting at 2009, 225.301 people looked on that discussion about WiFi issues with Snow Leo. A lot of them with similar arguments like here (and now) about the good old WiFi times with Leopard.

And if you go back in the history of the community, the discussion repeats since WiFi is available on Mac's.

I also recommend to take a look on Etresofts last postings on another WiFi/Lion discussion.

https://discussions.apple.com/message/16136707#16136707

Have a nice day

Lupunus

10.7.2 is just around the corner—hold your horses a few days and then try.

Okay, went to the gym, came back home about 2 - 2 1/2 hours later and still connected to WiFi with no issues. Havent disconnect, when reconnecting it was up in less than a few seconds. Has anyone else tried the Command+R at startup to see if this worked for them? I think running the repair untility might do it. But let me know if you tried it and if it worked for you.

Radiation Mac wrote:

 

The rep concluded: A fix is almost finished and will soon be available as a "Software Update."

In all builds of Mac OS X 10.7.2 Apple stated AirPort as one of the focus points for testers, except for the latest build. With the latest build Apple removed AirPort from the list of focus points, so it looks like Apple considers AirPort as something which doesn't need anymore testing. In other words: It looks like Apple thinks they've solved the problems with AirPort.

Well, we'll see.

mauryr wrote:

 

But how can that be? Lupunus guaranteed us that it's just a configuration problem and that NO update is coming from Apple.  *cough*

Maybe "Radiation Mac's" post grounds on hear say?

OK, back to facts.

What does Apple say about "Mac goes to sleep" for portable Mac's?

• The Ethernet port turns off, if applicable
• Expansion card slots turn off
• A built-in modem, if present, turns off
• An AirPort card, if present, turns off
• The USB connection only responds to the power key on an external keyboard
• The optical media drive spins down
• Audio input and output turns off
• Keyboard illumination, if a feature of your portable computer, turns off

So far, it seems that Lion work as designed.

Technically, after wake up, the WiFi have to reestablish the connection from scratch, cause while the system sleeps, a lot of things on the network may happen.

Group keys for the encryption of the wireless transmission got changed. IP lease time could have expired and the IP is given to another client, the system is moved to another location and much more.

To prevent the lag between wake up from sleep and rejoining a former used wireless network, the WiFi must kept running AND connected when the system go to sleep.

The high power consumption of Wi-Fi makes battery life in mobile devices a concern, especially when wireless should kept on during sleep state.

Away from the battery, a lot of other serious questions rise up, if you want the wireless alive while system sleeps.

On that, what kind of "Fix" you think, Apple will roll out?

Lupunus

PS ... I'm off from this discussion until serious troubleshoot and solution finding starts again on this thread.

You're right, 80,000 visits to a page about the wifi problem is nothing. They can all go f- themselves.

PS ... I'm off from this discussion until serious troubleshoot and solution finding starts again on this thread.

Good, get a life you lonely antagonistic loser. All I know for sure is that I installed Lion and now have wifi problems and am not about to spend my days working on a fix for a problem Apple is responsible for, and you sir have not helped me in the slightest.

MrRashan wrote:

 

when reconnecting it was up in less than a few seconds.

for looking at a working solution for your problem.

for your success.

Heres to you

Lupunus