Peter Wendell
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Q: Library Will Not Connect to Images on Remote Drive Since Lion

I keep my Aperture library on my local drive but the actual image files on a USB drive connected to an Airport base station. This has been working fine for months. Since I upgraded to Lion, Aperture insists that the volume containg the images is offline even though it is mounted and I can browse it in finder. I tried using the 'Located referenced files' options and re-connecting to one my files, but when I did so Aperture says the file is an 'Unsupported image type'.

 

I would really appreciate any suggestions on how to proceed.

Posted on Jul 20, 2011 8:03 PM

by Peter Wendell,Solvedanswer
Peter Wendell Peter Wendell
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Thank you. I've decided to move on to LR3. The notion that a modern program cannot support files stored on a network is, IMHO, absurd. If the Aperture database cannot reliably work with referenced images located on remote storage, then this should be clearly stated in the documentation and the user should not be permitted to do it.

Anyway, with LR3 I get automatic lens abereation correction with raw files which is increasingly essential for me.

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 6:36 PM

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  • by Peter Wendell,

    Peter Wendell Peter Wendell Sep 16, 2011 4:34 PM in response to Ernie Stamper
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    Sep 16, 2011 4:34 PM in response to Ernie Stamper

    Ernie,

     

    The location of, and ability to share a library in LR, and the location of, and ability to share the msters are two very different things. The library in LR, and in Aperture, is a database. It is a database designed to be used by one user at a time and cannot be shared without danger of corruption even on shared storage.

     

    The masters, on the other hand, are never modified by LR or Aperture, and can be shared in LR by many different users. Each user has their own library/database that points to the same master images. Their library contains all of the changes they have made to the images, but not those of anyone else. Of course you can always copy a library and share your changes as well, as long as the location your copying it to has access to the same master images, or a copy of the images in the same directory structure. This really is not all that complicated.

     

    I really do believe that Aperture was designed to work with referenced masters on any reliable storage. (Although the Aperture library does need to be on MAC formatted partition, preferably on a local drive.) I also think that Lion broke this functionality and that it was not caught in testing. I can accept this. The thing that I find inexcusable is that there has been no direct acknowledgement of responsability, or even an indication that a fix is forthcoming. The fact that several people on these forums have suggested that people who have been using referenced masters for years, with tens of thousands of images, without any kind of problem, have been doing something wrong for all that time, helped to raise my BP a bit as well.

     

    The long and short of it is simply this, if Apple never intended Aperture to be used with referenced masters on network volumes, then Aperture should not allow it to be done, or should at least provide a warning when someone tries to do it. If, one the other hand, it was designed to work with referenced images on network drives and has been broken by an unexpected interaction with Lion, then they need to admit this and provide a fix. In either case, Apple has let down its customers and Adobe is reaping the benefits.

  • by LittleTreb,

    LittleTreb LittleTreb Sep 16, 2011 6:21 PM in response to Peter Wendell
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    Sep 16, 2011 6:21 PM in response to Peter Wendell

    Someone may have already said this but as far as I can tell iPhoto has had no problem with keeping the location of masters since Lion, why can't Aperture?

  • by karstenfrommagdeburg,

    karstenfrommagdeburg karstenfrommagdeburg Sep 17, 2011 4:00 PM in response to Peter Wendell
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    Sep 17, 2011 4:00 PM in response to Peter Wendell

    I could not say it better, Peter!

     

    Apple has to fix this bug. SOON!

  • by Ernie Stamper,

    Ernie Stamper Ernie Stamper Sep 17, 2011 5:25 PM in response to Peter Wendell
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    Sep 17, 2011 5:25 PM in response to Peter Wendell

    I can find little value in sharing unadjusted images -- I am open to being educated as to what that value might be?  I have not seen this discussed as a work flow for a professional shop, but maybe I haven't been in the right place at the right time?  Unadjusted images are by no means "stock" images, as I am sure you know.

     

    The information that I have is that Aperture was originally designed to only work with Managed Libraries, but that that was later changed.

     

    My wish list is to have Thunderbolt drives that I can share a complete Manage Library between my desktop, and a laptop when not with the desktop.

     

    Ernie

  • by karstenfrommagdeburg,

    karstenfrommagdeburg karstenfrommagdeburg Sep 19, 2011 5:49 AM in response to Peter Wendell
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    Sep 19, 2011 5:49 AM in response to Peter Wendell

    Anybody here, who tested Aperture with Lion 10.7.2 developer preview?

  • by SierraDragon,

    SierraDragon SierraDragon Sep 21, 2011 1:36 PM in response to Ernie Stamper
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    Sep 21, 2011 1:36 PM in response to Ernie Stamper

    Ernie Stamper wrote:

    ...My wish list is to have Thunderbolt drives that I can share a complete Manage Library between my desktop, and a laptop when not with the desktop.

     

    Ernie

    My wish since v1 has been pretty similar: a bombproof pro single-user laptop/desktop Apple-supported synch workflow. Badly needed and requested since v1. Here we are years later still dealing with workarounds, some flaky.

     

    Apple's failure to provide a good synch workflow led me to now own one Mac instead of two. I now use a single 2011 MBP as a desktop replacement box. Future expansion (drives, RAM, displays) of the DTR setup will all be non-Apple.

     

    When Apple stubbornly refuses to listen to its users, Apple loses. Note that database synch is not technically difficult. Apple's other DB Filemaker Pro has done it for decades.

     

    -Allen

  • by Chrisp250,

    Chrisp250 Chrisp250 Sep 21, 2011 8:37 PM in response to Peter Wendell
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    Sep 21, 2011 8:37 PM in response to Peter Wendell

    Wow. I just spent a week messing around with sqlite, Bonjour browsers, afp configuration files, UUIDs, etc. trying to figure out why every time I open Aperture I need to relink it to the photos in the NAS.

    The sad thing is that even Picasa does a better job at referrencing photos.

    This will be my workaround in the mean time until this issue is fixed:

     

    - Make a copy of my photos currently in the NAS to my local drive. Might even consider getting a DAS.

    - When importing new photos from my camera, do it with an automatic rule to copy them to the NAS.

    - Exclude my local copy of the photos from TimeMachine backups (as I could always get a new copy from the NAS)

     

    Hope this is useful for someone else too, and please Apple, it is 2011, the PC is dead, remember?

    Cheers

    Chris

  • by drmauro,

    drmauro drmauro Sep 25, 2011 2:55 PM in response to Peter Wendell
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    Sep 25, 2011 2:55 PM in response to Peter Wendell

    up.

  • by PierreGB,

    PierreGB PierreGB Oct 1, 2011 12:22 PM in response to Peter Wendell
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    Oct 1, 2011 12:22 PM in response to Peter Wendell

    I just bought Aperture to be able to manage referenced masters on my time capsule and then observed the same problem as all of you: every time I restart aperture I need to reconnect all my files even though the time capsule volume is mounted. I'm running lion as well.

     

    Very annoying !

  • by SierraDragon,

    SierraDragon SierraDragon Oct 2, 2011 6:50 PM in response to PierreGB
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    Oct 2, 2011 6:50 PM in response to PierreGB

    PierreGB wrote:

     

    I just bought Aperture to be able to manage referenced masters on my time capsule

    That is a bad idea. Instead, reference Masters to attached drives separately from Time Capsule backups. Or you could partition the drive, but that is also a bad idea with mass storage so cheap nowadays.

     

    Note that Masters need only be backed up once (but to multiple backup locations) and that backup should happen immediately after copying to the hard drive from the camera card, before involving Aperture or any other images management app.

     

    Time Capsule is an ongoing regular-routine backup process. Image originals need irregularly timed backup, once.

     

    HTH

     

    -Allen Wicks

  • by PierreGB,

    PierreGB PierreGB Oct 3, 2011 12:08 AM in response to SierraDragon
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    Oct 3, 2011 12:08 AM in response to SierraDragon

    Thanks for your advice but I think you are referring to Time Machine and not Time Capsule. I'm not using Time Capsule as a backup disk and it's working very well to store my masters with Aperture except for this problem of connection loss at restart.

     

    Pierre

  • by karstenfrommagdeburg,

    karstenfrommagdeburg karstenfrommagdeburg Oct 5, 2011 1:02 PM in response to Peter Wendell
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    Oct 5, 2011 1:02 PM in response to Peter Wendell

    Problem certainly solved !

     

    The Admin of a german aperture board confirmed that Apple has fixed the problem with referenced files in Lion 10.7.2. (beta). With this OSX version Aperture operates with referenced fles as before under Snow Leopard.

     

    So i am looking forward to the final release on 12th of October (i hope it works in the final as well)!

     

    being relieved,

    Katte

  • by rexwui,

    rexwui rexwui Oct 12, 2011 3:03 PM in response to Peter Wendell
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    Oct 12, 2011 3:03 PM in response to Peter Wendell

    I'm pleased to announce that the referenced file problems over networked drives is FIXED!!!

     

    Not sure if it was the Lion 10.7.2 update or the Aperture 3.2 update released today.

     

    But if you update both, you will no longer have the problem of having to locate the referenced file every time you open Aperture.

     

    And to all the naysayers?  See, it WAS a problem that needed to be fixed   And they finally fixed it.  Took a while, but nonetheless fixed.

  • by kranzel,

    kranzel kranzel Oct 12, 2011 7:55 PM in response to rexwui
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    Oct 12, 2011 7:55 PM in response to rexwui

    Yes, this is awsome. I have had this exact issue for far to long. I was going to completely loose it. Nothing more frusterating then trying to quickly export an image and then get the "Refrenced Master Not Found" error, knowing **** well it is sitting right on my SAN.

     

    I can confirm, that after both upgardes, as stated above, this is no longer an issue. Thank god or what ever programmers at Apple finally resolved this.

  • by Sturla75,

    Sturla75 Sturla75 Oct 13, 2011 1:31 AM in response to rexwui
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    Oct 13, 2011 1:31 AM in response to rexwui

    rexwui wrote:

     

    I'm pleased to announce that the referenced file problems over networked drives is FIXED!!!


    Fantastic news! I've been holding off installing Lion because of this (among a couple of other things).

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