Q: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life

@Rayced

Heh, just trying to help...

Having fixed this problem on mine and three colleague's MBP's I might have something to offer.

However, if you would rather make snarky comments about stalking and sarcastic comments about how you don't need the help (which is odd as you still seem to have the issue...), then I am happy to accept your goodbye and leave you to it.

FastTJR wrote:

 

@Rayced

Heh, just trying to help...

Having fixed this problem on mine and three colleague's MBP's I might have something to offer.

However, if you would rather make snarky comments about stalking and sarcastic comments about how you don't need the help (which is odd as you still seem to have the issue...), then I am happy to accept your goodbye and leave you to it.

Awesome, we have finally reached out an agreenment.

But please don't play the role of the poor victim. Again it's one more dejavù.

Just to be clear: every single "help" suggested here didn't work. I have also a question for you: which daemon will be launched at login on any fresh installed Mac Os X that we can see on the preferences panel? Yes… Exactly: iTunesHelper. That's it.

About calibrating batteries:

"If your portable Mac has a built-in battery, you don’t need to calibrate the battery."

This is from both official Apple documents: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1490 and http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.7/en/mh21207.html

Therefore is not clear enough if people claiming battery improvements from adopting this measure have a built-in battery laptop or a removable one.

I am getting about 4.5 hrs on fully charged battery - with mail app, iCal, safari, itunes (not playing), and office 2011 running.

Hello,

I have new 17" Macbook Pro, SNOW Leopard,  FULLY Charged, and 2 hours 7 minutes runtime and according to Activity monitor only thing running is FINDER.

I agree that you could run into out of control apps causing the problem, but this thread is chocked full of people saying that they have bad battery life running nothing at all or doing simple things like Web or mail.

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The problem with the battery life is due to the fact that most processes continue in the background even after we close the app. If it is an app with a dependency for gfx switching then the graphic card remains in discete mode and thus we lose battery juice. You could either switch to integrated solution or use Command + Q to really quit the app. Read this article for the macbook battery solution that I used. Of course it won't work for people with MBP 13s or MBAs. They could try doing the SMC reset or battery calibration and hope for the best.

di1in wrote:

 

The problem with the battery life is due to the fact that most processes continue in the background even after we close the app. If it is an app with a dependency for gfx switching then the graphic card remains in discete mode and thus we lose battery juice. You could either switch to integrated solution or use Command + Q to really quit the app. Read this article for the macbook battery solution that I used. Of course it won't work for people with MBP 13s or MBAs. They could try doing the SMC reset or battery calibration and hope for the best.

This is not correct at all.

I'm having a lower battery life even though my laptop is always using the integrated GPU. Other users are experiencing battery drain with laptop models that haven't a discrete GPU.

Calibration of the battery, standing on what Apple says in its official documents here, is needed and possible only for those laptop models with a removable battery.

(visit http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1490 and http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.7/en/mh21207.html)

The SMC reset is just a placebo, like using camomille against a dhiarrea.

Please suggest real solutions, otherwise just stop confusing people even more.

You have probably misunderstood this page. Apple says that pre-calibration is not required for laptops with non user-replaceable batteries. All macbooks with removable batteries need to be pre-calibrated before first use.

All macbooks require calibration every few months:

You should perform this procedure when you first use your computer and then every few months after that. If you normally leave your Apple portable computer connected to AC power and very rarely use it on battery power you may want to perform this process once a month.

What makes you say that the SMC reset is a placebo. I for one have seen it being executed and it works. People who claim SMC to be a placebo are usually those who have tried it as a wonder soltuion for every bug that their MacBooks show. A solution works only when you apply it to the correct problem.

Now, the solution of switching to integrated is a solution that gives you comparably better results. Under Snow Leopard switching worked, you get 100 % battery life.

Under Lion:

• the background processes leech of a particular amount of battery life.
• the always discrete card leeches of another particular amount

If you manualy swich to integrated you cut your losses. Again, I and a lot of others have seen it work. I agree that it doesn't give you SL like battery life, but it gets you close. Isn't something better than nothing?

Rayced wrote:

The SMC reset is just a placebo, like using camomille against a dhiarrea.

 

Please suggest real solutions, otherwise just stop confusing people even more.

Chamomile against diarrhea does not work when you use store bought chamomile or pesticide soaked chamomile. You need to use organic Matricaria recutita, steep it atleast for 20 minutes so that you get that bitterness right, and then consume it after you have had your food.

Again it only works if the patient does have diarrhoea and it's caused by the usual problems and not because you consumed some edible chemicals packaged into a solid that killed of your intestinal flora completely.

di1in wrote:

 

Rayced wrote:

The SMC reset is just a placebo, like using camomille against a dhiarrea.

 

Please suggest real solutions, otherwise just stop confusing people even more.

Chamomile against diarrhea does not work when you use store bought chamomile or pesticide soaked chamomile. You need to use organic Matricaria recutita, steep it atleast for 20 minutes so that you get that bitterness right, and then consume it after you have had your food.

 

Again it only works if the patient does have diarrhoea and it's caused by the usual problems and not because you consumed some edible chemicals packaged into a solid that killed of your intestinal flora completely.

LOL! I'm more radical: absolute lemon juice, and you're good to go.

di1in wrote:

 

You have probably misunderstood this page. Apple says that pre-calibration is not required for laptops with non user-replaceable batteries. All macbooks with removable batteries need to be pre-calibrated before first use.

 

All macbooks require calibration every few months:

You should perform this procedure when you first use your computer and then every few months after that. If you normally leave your Apple portable computer connected to AC power and very rarely use it on battery power you may want to perform this process once a month.

 

What makes you say that the SMC reset is a placebo. I for one have seen it being executed and it works. People who claim SMC to be a placebo are usually those who have tried it as a wonder soltuion for every bug that their MacBooks show. A solution works only when you apply it to the correct problem.

 

Now, the solution of switching to integrated is a solution that gives you comparably better results. Under Snow Leopard switching worked, you get 100 % battery life.

 

Under Lion:

• the background processes leech of a particular amount of battery life.
• the always discrete card leeches of another particular amount

 

If you manualy swich to integrated you cut your losses. Again, I and a lot of others have seen it work. I agree that it doesn't give you SL like battery life, but it gets you close. Isn't something better than nothing?

You are the one not reading the document:

Current Apple portable computer batteries are pre-calibrated and do not require the calibration procedure outlined in this article. These computers use batteries that should be replaced only by an Apple Authorized Service Provider.

SMC reset is a placebo, cause people doing that at first got battery life calcuation longer, but in real terms of usage they've experienced exactly the same battery drain as before the reset.

The GPU is switching is not the problem as reported by users experiencing battery drain not even having a dual GPU laptop.

Rayced wrote:

Current Apple portable computer batteries are pre-calibrated and do not require the calibration procedure outlined in this article. These computers use batteries that should be replaced only by an Apple Authorized Service Provider.

That is referring to pre-calibration. Read the document in it's entirety and you would understand. All portable computers require calibration. The document linked covers two topics: Pre-calibration and Calibration. The quote above speaks about calibration.

This speaks about calibration:

You should perform this procedure when you first use your computer and then every few months after that. If you normally leave your Apple portable computer connected to AC power and very rarely use it on battery power you may want to perform this process once a month.

Every battery loses it's calibration with time, doesn't matter if it's user replaceable or not. I could go on about the technical aspects but going by your answer to this with this which is basicaly contradicting yourself, I'd rather not waste my time.

Anyway you could verify the calibration argument by contacting an Apple engineer and the diarrhoea by contacting a good doctor.

Like FastTJR said, I don't appreciate your snarky comments and would rather leave you with your problems.

Good day!

di1in wrote:

 

Rayced wrote:

Current Apple portable computer batteries are pre-calibrated and do not require the calibration procedure outlined in this article. These computers use batteries that should be replaced only by an Apple Authorized Service Provider.

That is referring to pre-calibration. Read the document in it's entirety and you would understand. All portable computers require calibration. The document linked covers two topics: Pre-calibration and Calibration. The quote above speaks about calibration.

 

This speaks about calibration:

You should perform this procedure when you first use your computer and then every few months after that. If you normally leave your Apple portable computer connected to AC power and very rarely use it on battery power you may want to perform this process once a month.

 

Every battery loses it's calibration with time, doesn't matter if it's user replaceable or not. I could go on about the technical aspects but going by your answer to this with this which is basicaly contradicting yourself, I'd rather not waste my time.

 

Anyway you could verify calibration argument by contacting an Apple engineer and the diarrhoea by contacting a good doctor.

 

Like FastTJR said, I don't appreciate your snarky comments and would rather leave you with your problems.

 

Good day!

Does the doctor remedy work even if the diarrhoea is of the verbal variety?

di1in wrote:

 

This speaks about calibration:

You should perform this procedure when you first use your computer and then every few months after that. If you normally leave your Apple portable computer connected to AC power and very rarely use it on battery power you may want to perform this process once a month.

 

Every battery loses it's calibration with time, doesn't matter if it's user replaceable or not. I could go on about the technical aspects but going by your answer to this with this which is basicaly contradicting yourself, I'd rather not waste my time.

 

Anyway you could verify calibration argument by contacting an Apple engineer and the diarrhoea by contacting a good doctor.

 

Like FastTJR said, I don't appreciate your snarky comments and would rather leave you with your problems.

 

Good day!

Which is not the case: people are experiencing the battery drain with Lion and latest SL versions, not because they're not letting their battery uncharge before charging it again.

But you're assuming many things without a clue, first and foremost that I'm the only one having a problem with the battery drain (while it is a plethora of other users) and that an Apple engineer would reccomend your solution to solve this issue with Lion (at least you've stopped tmapering with the GPU).

The problem is yours: choose what is the the problem and its solution: either the GPU or the battery calibration.

As for FastTJR you can get away with my snarky comments, and yes, please leave.

BTW nice try to cover up your mistakes: you're quoting the introducing part of the document, which later on provides two different solutions based on the kind of battery that the laptop ships with. The part I'm quoting is the one for laptops with a built-in battery.

Once again it says:

Portables with built-in batteries

Current Apple portable computer batteries are pre-calibrated and do not require the calibration procedure outlined in this article. These computers use batteries that should be replaced only by an Apple Authorized Service Provider.

MacBook 

• MacBook (13-inch, Late 2009) and later

MacBook Air

• MacBook Air, all versions

MacBook Pro

• MacBook Pro (13-inch, Mid 2009) and later
• MacBook Pro (15-inch, Mid 2009) and later
• MacBook Pro (17-inch, Early 2009) and later

So unless Apple release a new official document, replacing this one and saying that also these computers have to do a calibration as for the other models, all your stuff is just a speculation.