Q: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life
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Nov 16, 2011 12:44 PMby adetri,>>The use you're suggesting, will make people with a regular HD wait much longer for awake operations even when they put to sleep their laptop just for few minutes: it's not practical at all.
>>It seems this thread (since is so popular) is becoming a huge advertisement billboard for third party apps; more and more everyday.
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Crumbs - that's told me! ... but, yes as I touched upon and Rayced has re-iterated more directly, the Deep Sleep hibernate option is by no means perfect and only worth considering is you have a fast SSD and frequently leave your MBP sleeping on battery for long periods.
The only final solution is, of course, an Apple update so we can all use our MBPs as intended and expected.
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Nov 16, 2011 3:24 PMby milwaukee_bronze,I think your comment continues to verify findings by others here that when in "sleep" vs "hibernate" there is a greater power demand.
No surprise here really. With S2D the system is pretty much powered off. With S2R some power-management is still running to maintain the integrity of Memory etc.
The question is, what subsystem is allowing draw to continue at this higher rate post upgrade to Lion. - I think we still don't have an answer to that.
In the meantime, those with SSD have a nice combo of workarounds until a real solution is found.
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Nov 16, 2011 5:16 PMby Acro123,I've been following this post from day one. I too suffer the same problem as everyone else...significant battery drain since installing Lion.
I've contacted Apple. I've talked to the same representative over the phone and via e-mail. I've sent 'capture packages' and screen shots to the engineer that was helping. He acknowledged there was a problem.
He finally suggested:
"As for your computer, I would recommend backing up your information then doing a clean install of Snow Leopard, then upgrading back up to Lion without any information on the computer. Then if the battery situation is ok, we would then move all the information back onto the computer. "
I emailed him back this:
"If I do a clean install of S.L. then upgrade to Lion, and my battery still doesn't improve...then what? That seems like a lot of time (and bandwidth) which I don't have. From the forums I've been following (like the link I sent you earlier) it seems like a lot of people tried your suggestion with no improvement.
If you were to tell me that Apple would replace my macbook pro with a newer one (with lion pre-installed mid 2011) if I tried this and it didn't work, I would try it. Or even if I knew I might get my battery replaced (but according to the Apple forum...that makes no difference either...see link) I would consider it. But, if I'm going to take all the time to do this, and just be stuck in the same position... then it's probably not worth it. I rather spend the time with my family.
Do you understand what I'm saying?"
Last I heard from him was this (Nov. 3rd):
"Yes I completely understand, I can't say the computer would be replaced based on the results we get. Then I would probably just go back to Snow Leopard for the time being until the next lion update, because the next time you install would gather latest version of Lion and would avoid any issues with Lion 10.7.1 or earlier which may be the issue here related to software consumption of the battery."
The gentleman I spoke to was helpful, but I am dissappointed by his solution to this problem.
I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed for an update that addresses (and fixes) the problem
-13" MBP - Early 2011 i5
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Nov 16, 2011 5:34 PMby Rayced,kileypsteele wrote:
These are the exact options I was given when I went to the apple store. Definitely not worth my time. Or the money I would have to spend on a back up hard drive.
…I think you're the only person I've ever read saying a backup drive doesn't worth the money!
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Nov 16, 2011 5:42 PMby Rayced,Acro123 wrote:
I've been following this post from day one. I too suffer the same problem as everyone else...significant battery drain since installing Lion.
I've contacted Apple. I've talked to the same representative over the phone and via e-mail. I've sent 'capture packages' and screen shots to the engineer that was helping. He acknowledged there was a problem.
He finally suggested:
"As for your computer, I would recommend backing up your information then doing a clean install of Snow Leopard, then upgrading back up to Lion without any information on the computer. Then if the battery situation is ok, we would then move all the information back onto the computer. "
I emailed him back this:
"If I do a clean install of S.L. then upgrade to Lion, and my battery still doesn't improve...then what? That seems like a lot of time (and bandwidth) which I don't have. From the forums I've been following (like the link I sent you earlier) it seems like a lot of people tried your suggestion with no improvement.
If you were to tell me that Apple would replace my macbook pro with a newer one (with lion pre-installed mid 2011) if I tried this and it didn't work, I would try it. Or even if I knew I might get my battery replaced (but according to the Apple forum...that makes no difference either...see link) I would consider it. But, if I'm going to take all the time to do this, and just be stuck in the same position... then it's probably not worth it. I rather spend the time with my family.
Do you understand what I'm saying?"
Last I heard from him was this (Nov. 3rd):
"Yes I completely understand, I can't say the computer would be replaced based on the results we get. Then I would probably just go back to Snow Leopard for the time being until the next lion update, because the next time you install would gather latest version of Lion and would avoid any issues with Lion 10.7.1 or earlier which may be the issue here related to software consumption of the battery."
The gentleman I spoke to was helpful, but I am dissappointed by his solution to this problem.
I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed for an update that addresses (and fixes) the problem
-13" MBP - Early 2011 i5
Well this is interesting: some are saying that the issue will be fixed with a clean Lion install (from a thumb drive or a burned DVD), while some other are saying to do a SL clean install and then upgrade to the latest Lion version via App Store.
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Nov 16, 2011 5:56 PMby milwaukee_bronze,I just got off the phone with the original Tech that took my support call.
He referred me to this: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4044?viewlocale=en_US and informs me that current situation is normal behavior. He was very kind but was effectively saying "suck it up!"
Next Steps for me:
- Re-install 10.6.8
- Prove issue did not exist
- Ask Apple for the $30 I wasted on Lion!
Cancel any thoughts of iPhone with iOS5. iCloud without Lion = waste of time. Come back Gmail and Dropbox - I'm sorry I deserted you.
That being said, I hold out hope that the other call I received from a Snr. Tech triggered by posts to this thread result in the right solution and we can all move forward in Liony iOS5 bliss!
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Nov 16, 2011 6:37 PMby Poikkeus,Acro123 writes that Apple suggests the following solution:
1. Back up your computer.
2. Do a clean install of Snow Leopard
3. Upgrade to Lion
4. Move your data onto your computer. It's obvious why one would be resistant to the effort and expense involved with the Apple suggestion.
How about Apple doing this:
1. Design a software solution to restore Lion to SL efficiency
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Nov 16, 2011 6:51 PMby Csound1,Poikkeus wrote:
Acro123 writes that Apple suggests the following solution:
1. Back up your computer.
2. Do a clean install of Snow Leopard
3. Upgrade to Lion
4. Move your data onto your computer. It's obvious why one would be resistant to the effort and expense involved with the Apple suggestion.
How about Apple doing this:
1. Design a software solution to restore Lion to SL efficiency
SL efficiency? my first Mac ran in 128K, that's efficiency!
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Nov 16, 2011 10:43 PMby Loerincz,"He was very kind but was effectively saying "Suck it up!"
So, in other words, this is not a bug, but a feature...
I am new to the Mac world, but that's why I left Microsoft, and now I am sad to see what Apple does to it's customers. I still have hope that they will find a solution, For me, my brand new MBP has never ever reached the promised 7 hours of wireless browsing. I am happy if I reach four!
