Q: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life

Could not agree more, GFXCard status saved me.  For some reason Skype was making Lion switch to Discrete graphics and draining my battery.  Being able to control and switch to integrated on battery has increased my battery life drastically!  Wonderful solution/suggestion.

Franc_Iphone wrote:

 

Anyone in this thread can go look how much of a muppet you are by looking at some of the waste of time suggestions you made in the early days we reported these problems and you called us all idiots. End of. Go away. TROLL!

Can you post a link to any post of mine where I referred to you or anyone else as an idiot?

Calg, I didn't quite get double battery life but definately about 75% better for me when I'm off power adapter. Apple are aware that a work-around to some of the problems here is the GFXcardStatus program fix. They have logs / memory dumps of before / after a couple of scenarios from me.

SParker1tx wrote:

 

Could not agree more, GFXCard status saved me.  For some reason Skype was making Lion switch to Discrete graphics and draining my battery.  Being able to control and switch to integrated on battery has increased my battery life drastically!  Wonderful solution/suggestion.

I wonder if that happens in Snow Leopard too. I never had to be worried about which GPU was in use, before installing Lion.

BTW I've got an improvement in battery life after reparing permissions via resetpassword utility —booting from the recovery disk.

It's a bit better, but I still have a battery drain when the computer is in sleep mode.

CSound, you have correctly called me out - you did NOT use the word idiot so I have unfairly called you a muppet. I've just been frustrated to **** as to why you are trying to poo-poo what is obviosuly a problem for many of the posters that have come here looking for help. Many of us are IT experts (25+ years for me) and there's nothing left for any of us to try. Apple has a history of denials or going into "zero repsonse" mode and suddenly a fix comes out. I promise, I'll eat my hat if Apple does not come up with a "fix" that makes all our batteries last close to twice or more as long as they do with the fix - by March is my guess!

SCOUND1 : Can you post a link to any post of mine where I referred to you or anyone else as an idiot?

I'm not Apple, and I'm not poopooing this issue, it is obvious that some users have problems with battery life, it is equally obvious that many of them are relying on estimates and guesswork for data, and that is useless.

The problem with testing various configuration changes as related to battery life is that it takes a long time, if 7 hours is real then it will take more than 7 hours to test each configuration but in this thread you will find people who install updates (10.7.1) and pronounce no change after 60 minutes! how could you know after a fraction of a cycle what changed?

Test carefully, you'll see posters in this thread who took the time to do so and discovered that the estimates were wrong and (in some cases) that the battery life was fine.

But I will leave this thread now, it's too far into the magic bullet hunt for any real analysis to be done, good luck with your Mac, maybe 10.7.3 or 4 will ameliorate the issue, maybe not, but I remain convinced that looking for the problem is superior to just complaining about it.

Csound, you see, this is where your logic is floored. Many of us HAVE spent weeks trying to diagnose (running dowm, using. I have even forced myself to stay on battery during work days and at home at nights/weekends. For those that have not had the time to do a full analysis, what they are seeing is not a mild 5%, 10% or 20% drop in battery life doing EXACTLY what they did on their previous O/S's - they are seeing HALF. If it were less than 20%, I would give tyou the benfit of the doubt. But come on, 50%? Really?

Even my VM, (VMWARE) on my old Snow Leopard  3+ year old MACBOOK pro would give me 3 1/2 hours and on the new one (with an SSD drive), I get 2 hours - tops! I even stop using VMWARE for most of my tests as I know it's a HOG under Lion!

I have seen exactly1 poster (in this thread) take the time to test and post his results, maybe you can show me some more?

Csound1 wrote:

 

I'm not Apple, and I'm not poopooing this issue, it is obvious that some users have problems with battery life, it is equally obvious that many of them are relying on estimates and guesswork for data, and that is useless.

 

The problem with testing various configuration changes as related to battery life is that it takes a long time, if 7 hours is real then it will take more than 7 hours to test each configuration but in this thread you will find people who install updates (10.7.1) and pronounce no change after 60 minutes! how could you know after a fraction of a cycle what changed?

 

Test carefully, you'll see posters in this thread who took the time to do so and discovered that the estimates were wrong and (in some cases) that the battery life was fine.

 

But I will leave this thread now, it's too far into the magic bullet hunt for any real analysis to be done, good luck with your Mac, maybe 10.7.3 or 4 will ameliorate the issue, maybe not, but I remain convinced that looking for the problem is superior to just complaining about it.

Explain me how can I investigate the fact that my battery loses too much charge during sleep mode. Other than looking at console reports and see if the laptop waked up by itself —which I looked at and obviusly is not happening— I don't see any other way to do that on an consumer extent.

Either you have a solution to fix this issue or you don't. If you have it please post it, otherwise stop stalking people reporting a problem.

milwaukee_bronze wrote:

 

Rayced wrote:

 

Fudge! You're right! Tim Cook in person should give you a brand new iPhone 4gs for what you've done!

I know what your saying.  I'm not saying they owe me anything other than a fix to this issue. But, Apple Support contacted me, asked for information from my system, which I dutifully took the time to provide.  Would you not expect a response if someone contacted you for information from your system?

 

The term "common courtesy" springs to mind.

 

So far several of us have provided information to investigate this yet, to my knowledge, no signs of response have been forthcoming.  Hence the .

The matter is that you're not required to do that. If you've done it just for passion, than you can't expect any reward.

Neither an immaterial one.

Rayced wrote:

 

Csound1 wrote:

 

I'm not Apple, and I'm not poopooing this issue, it is obvious that some users have problems with battery life, it is equally obvious that many of them are relying on estimates and guesswork for data, and that is useless.

 

The problem with testing various configuration changes as related to battery life is that it takes a long time, if 7 hours is real then it will take more than 7 hours to test each configuration but in this thread you will find people who install updates (10.7.1) and pronounce no change after 60 minutes! how could you know after a fraction of a cycle what changed?

 

Test carefully, you'll see posters in this thread who took the time to do so and discovered that the estimates were wrong and (in some cases) that the battery life was fine.

 

But I will leave this thread now, it's too far into the magic bullet hunt for any real analysis to be done, good luck with your Mac, maybe 10.7.3 or 4 will ameliorate the issue, maybe not, but I remain convinced that looking for the problem is superior to just complaining about it.

Explain me how can I investigate the fact that my battery loses too much charge during sleep mode. Other than looking at console reports and see if the laptop waked up by itself —which I looked at and obviusly is not happening— I don't see any other way to do that on an consumer extent.

 

Either you have a solution to fix this issue or you don't. If you have it please post it, otherwise stop stalking people reporting a problem.

I have not said I have a solution, you can investigate or not, it really is your choice, but without informational testing the solution will be harder to find, won't it.

Csound1 wrote:

 

I have not said I have a solution, you can investigate or not, it really is your choice, but without informational testing the solution will be harder to find, won't it.

I gave it. More than one time.

Explain me how can I investigate a battery drain during sleep mode.

Rayced wrote:

 

Csound1 wrote:

 

I have not said I have a solution, you can investigate or not, it really is your choice, but without informational testing the solution will be harder to find, won't it.

 

I gave it. More than one time.

 

Explain me how can I investigate a battery drain during sleep mode.

 

Log the exact state of your battery using the Mac's inbuilt tools, shut down everything other than Finder, put it to sleep for a specific period of time (this will need to be a couple of hours as an absolute minimum), wake it up and log the battery state with the same tools again. Boot to an alternate configuration and repeat. Do this a few times and a pattern may emerge, that pattern may lead to the answer.

Do Not rely on the 'estimate' presented on the menu bar, it is an estimate.

FYI - In all software companies, issues are classified and fixed based on a "pain index" (not only, but it is  one of the important variables) ... so in a way, complaining will help fix the issue.

Anyways thanks for stopping by… NOT

Csound1, since you and your 30 Macs are all fine, would you please be so kind and stay out of this discussion simply because you don't meet basic criteria:

1. You are not affected with this problem

2. You don't have a solution for the same

Majority of people re-visit this forum for months not because they are bored but because they have common problem with their computers. I usually ready this forum in the morning while I'm having a coffee before a long day in the office where I'm part of the team that looks after 6000 PCs and over 200 Macs. Feeling that I can share my problem with other people makes me feel better since Apple is ignoring our issue officially. Thanks to you, this morning I had to ready a lot of rubbish simply because you have issue that belongs somewhere else.

Mate, be kind and help us keep this forum on target.