Q: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life

Dear Dr Chandra, much as you may wish to tell others what they should do your authority does not reach that far

Rayced wrote:

 

I wonder if that happens in Snow Leopard too. I never had to be worried about which GPU was in use, before installing Lion.

It Does! 

I proved it in my tests weeks back.

I do not think the gfx switch is the core of the issue.  Forcing back to integrated eases the issue but the like the bug in 10.7.3 which stops CPU stepping up, it does not fix the problem but masks it by creating another one. 

I think we are closer to being on to something by looking at the cause of the drain in standby.  What is being powered in-efficiently during sleep?  Could the cause also be the reason for the hefty draw on battery while the Mac is awake?

Csound1 wrote:

 

Rayced wrote:

 

Csound1 wrote:

 

I have not said I have a solution, you can investigate or not, it really is your choice, but without informational testing the solution will be harder to find, won't it.

 

I gave it. More than one time.

 

Explain me how can I investigate a battery drain during sleep mode.

 

Log the exact state of your battery using the Mac's inbuilt tools, shut down everything other than Finder, put it to sleep for a specific period of time (this will need to be a couple of hours as an absolute minimum), wake it up and log the battery state with the same tools again. Boot to an alternate configuration and repeat. Do this a few times and a pattern may emerge, that pattern may lead to the answer.

 

Do Not rely on the 'estimate' presented on the menu bar, it is an estimate.

Either you're doing this on purpose or you're a troll.

I was the one telling people on this thread which logs to read to monitor their real battery usage and the battery drain during sleep time.

Do you want a piece of winged cheese? It's made with milk coming from my flying cow.

milwaukee_bronze wrote:

 

Rayced wrote:

 

I wonder if that happens in Snow Leopard too. I never had to be worried about which GPU was in use, before installing Lion.

It Does! 

 

I proved it in my tests weeks back.

 

I do not think the gfx switch is the core of the issue.  Forcing back to integrated eases the issue but the like the bug in 10.7.3 which stops CPU stepping up, it does not fix the problem but masks it by creating another one. 

 

I think we are closer to being on to something by looking at the cause of the drain in standby.  What is being powered in-efficiently during sleep?  Could the cause also be the reason for the hefty draw on battery while the Mac is awake?

Finally… Someone is getting back to the basic math.

I give you a measured test methodology to follow and you are going on about Flying Cows?

Csound1 wrote:

 

I give you a measured test methodology to follow and you are going on about Flying Cows?

That's the only topic me and you can discuss. You're assuming other people posting here haven't done any test nor are able to research the cause of an issue with a scientific method.

Ditto… yes, try some of my cheese.

PS you were the one trying to tell people that doing a battery calibration (not needed on Lithoum polymer batteries…) would had fixed the issue.

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Rayced wrote:

 

milwaukee_bronze wrote:

 

Rayced wrote:

 

Fudge! You're right! Tim Cook in person should give you a brand new iPhone 4gs for what you've done!

I know what your saying.  I'm not saying they owe me anything other than a fix to this issue. But, Apple Support contacted me, asked for information from my system, which I dutifully took the time to provide.  Would you not expect a response if someone contacted you for information from your system?

 

The term "common courtesy" springs to mind.

 

So far several of us have provided information to investigate this yet, to my knowledge, no signs of response have been forthcoming.  Hence the .

 

The matter is that you're not required to do that. If you've done it just for passion, than you can't expect any reward.

Neither an immaterial one.

Nope, no passion, I just want to see a fix.  How can apple be expected to fix the issue without collecting information from users expereincing it?

I would just expect the courtesy of a feedback one way or the other as to what that information has contributed.  Good or bad.

milwaukee_bronze wrote:

 

Rayced wrote:

 

milwaukee_bronze wrote:

 

Rayced wrote:

 

Fudge! You're right! Tim Cook in person should give you a brand new iPhone 4gs for what you've done!

I know what your saying.  I'm not saying they owe me anything other than a fix to this issue. But, Apple Support contacted me, asked for information from my system, which I dutifully took the time to provide.  Would you not expect a response if someone contacted you for information from your system?

 

The term "common courtesy" springs to mind.

 

So far several of us have provided information to investigate this yet, to my knowledge, no signs of response have been forthcoming.  Hence the .

 

The matter is that you're not required to do that. If you've done it just for passion, than you can't expect any reward.

Neither an immaterial one.

Nope, no passion, I just want to see a fix.  How can apple be expected to fix the issue without collecting information from users expereincing it?

 

I would just expect the courtesy of a feedback one way or the other as to what that information has contributed.  Good or bad.

Just take it easy.

Rayced wrote:

 

PS you were the one trying to tell people that doing a battery calibration (not needed on Lithoum polymer batteries…) would had fixed the issue.

I

 

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There you go making things up, please post a link to that.

Csound1 wrote:

 

Dear Dr Chandra, much as you may wish to tell others what they should do your authority does not reach that far

Thanks, even this is better than most of your previous posts.

DrChandra wrote:

 

Csound1 wrote:

 

Dear Dr Chandra, much as you may wish to tell others what they should do your authority does not reach that far

 

Thanks, even this is better than most of your previous posts.

Happy to oblige you Doctor.

Rayced wrote:

 

milwaukee_bronze wrote:

 

Rayced wrote:

 

milwaukee_bronze wrote:

 

Rayced wrote:

 

Fudge! You're right! Tim Cook in person should give you a brand new iPhone 4gs for what you've done!

I know what your saying.  I'm not saying they owe me anything other than a fix to this issue. But, Apple Support contacted me, asked for information from my system, which I dutifully took the time to provide.  Would you not expect a response if someone contacted you for information from your system?

 

The term "common courtesy" springs to mind.

 

So far several of us have provided information to investigate this yet, to my knowledge, no signs of response have been forthcoming.  Hence the .

 

The matter is that you're not required to do that. If you've done it just for passion, than you can't expect any reward.

Neither an immaterial one.

Nope, no passion, I just want to see a fix.  How can apple be expected to fix the issue without collecting information from users expereincing it?

 

I would just expect the courtesy of a feedback one way or the other as to what that information has contributed.  Good or bad.

Just take it easy.

True!  Too much stress in this forum today. 

I'm not going to comment on all the back and forth banter that's gone on today. (Seriously though, I thought my iPhone was possessed )

As for those that successfully used the GFXCard application to keep your MBPs in decerete mode, that's wonderful (although a temporary band-aid), but it doesn't help those of us with only dedicated graphics (Early 2008 MBPs) so we're still stilling 3-hours TOPS on battery life when we used to see around 4.0 to 4.5 hours.

I've been contacted twice by Apple to provide machine data to them, they ARE listening to these (and many MANY) other forums that related to the prodcuts and software they build and script.

Initial reports on 10.7.3 Beta were that battery life had increased. I plan on doing a test soon myself with my Early 2008 15" MBP. Between the holidays and school, I haven't had a chance to dig into the matter.

I believe that it's Apple's job to fix problems or any other company, but it's our responsiblity to provide them with feedback on the issues at hand. We all joined this forum for a reason, let's not kill each other by trying to caps-locking each other to death because then no one wins.

CSound

Stop winding people up, Apple has a problem, Customers should not have to 'test' their setup and fault find.  Apple advertise up to 7hrs life and they list how this was tested by external organisations.  General use, nothing flash can give you 7hrs.

I was getting 7hrs under SL now get 2.5hrs under Lion.  With having an iMac as well my Macbook has become a bit of a toy until this issue is solved.  I had my Macbook restored direct from Apple using 10.7.2 and no other software than as Apple gives you, no Apps, no Flash, nothing and it still has poor battery life circa 2.5hrs.

I am currently trying 10.7.3 download from the Developer site and battery life has jumped to 5hrs so Apple are working on it.

If I wanted to go on a problem solving tour I would go back to my PC and use Vista!  My change to Apple was to just use their kit as it 'Just Works' and clearly it does not.

If you cannot accept there is a issue then your comments are not welcome.  This thread is for users to share there issues and hopefully Apple may take note, the press do as we have all seen in recent days.

The most disappointing issue is lack of anything from Apple.  Problems happen, its how you deal with them and look after your customers that is critical.

lesliefromstockton-on-tees wrote:

 

CSound

 

If you cannot accept there is a issue then your comments are not welcome.  This thread is for users to share there issues and hopefully Apple may take note, the press do as we have all seen in recent days.

I have stated umpteen times that I think that the problem does exist for some users, I posted that in this thread, why not read what I said.