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  • mirkofromturku Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    dylanlevijesse wrote:

     

    just updated to firefox 9.0.1 which doesnt swap to discrete graphics when opened, or when playing a 1080p youtube clip.. anyone else finding this?

     

    Hi Dylan!

     

    I updated to firefox 9.0.1 and noticed the same thing! No effect on batterylife though.... Still getting 3 hours with 100% battery life!

     

    I got a phonecall from apple about a month ago, so now I now they are at least working on this issue! Waiting for a fix soon, but if not comming I will walk back to applestore and demand a new MBP!

     

    So...Patience

  • dylanlevijesse Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    patience indeed. i have resorted to not even using my battery.

     

    i am currently finding scrolling to be a tad jumpy, especially when i am on a larger webpage - this was not happening before.

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)
    Obviously a small percentage do have problems, but millions do not, so whatever I suppose. Love Lion, have forgotten what SL even looked like like so if there is an issue it is only to a miniscule of users. Apple, I am sure will address this in an update if the problem is OS system wide.

     

    Unfounded assumptions and so far, unfounded confidence.  In the Apple Store, that warehouse of optimism and heightened expectations, Lion still rates a mediocre 3.5 stars, down from 4.0 for all versions.

  • eLnIñO! Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Obviously a small percentage do have problems, but millions do not, so whatever I suppose. Love Lion, have forgotten what SL even looked like like so if there is an issue it is only to a miniscule of users. Apple, I am sure will address this in an update if the problem is OS system wide.

     

    Unfounded assumptions and so far, unfounded confidence.  In the Apple Store, that warehouse of optimism and heightened expectations, Lion still rates a mediocre 3.5 stars, down from 4.0 for all versions.

     

     

    Well said Bob Jacobson, I read mulligans missus comment and just laughed, Even thouhg Lion's interface is cool, I still prefer Snow Leopard, but my all time favorite, even though people won't agree with me was and still is OS Tiger.

  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)

    eLnIñO! wrote:

     

    Well said Bob Jacobson, I read mulligans missus comment and just laughed, Even thouhg Lion's interface is cool, I still prefer Snow Leopard, but my all time favorite, even though people won't agree with me was and still is OS Tiger.

    Yes, your scienticic reasoning is....lets say.....unfounded. lol  You prefer Snow Leopard, therefore everybody else should. As with Bob, he can't figure out how to use it therefore the fact that most have no issues is .... ummm ...unfounded. lol

     

    As I said, I am sure they will address this issue if it is system wide (which it isn't) when they are ready.

     

    Thanks for making me smile.

     

    Cheers

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    Mulligans missus,

     

    Again, you miss the point. 

     

    It doesn't help for you to trivialize the difficulties that many people are experiencing by claiming that they are "only a few among millions" or words to that effect, especially as you have no evidence that is is so.  Many forums -- not just this one -- have exposed the Lion King's New Clothes.  There are many, many pages of cautionary comments.

     

    You obviously didn't read my  explanation for why I restored Snow Leopard after sampling Lion, which is to preserve my computers' efficiency given Lion's overdone, misdirected interface design. (Cloud computing, for those with blind faith in Apple's remote servers, could be achieved without placing ease-of-use burdens on end users.) 

     

    Technically, I reverted to prevent Lion again overdriving my Air's CPU, heating it until it torched the logic board and SSDs -- according to the tech grapevine, not an isolated incident.  LOL my ***.

     

    As I wrote, I'm sure that you haven't a clue when Apple will address this issue whether it is systemwide or not.  Please show some respect for the many individuals working here independently and with little help from Apple to figure out why their Macs aren't working right and what they can do to fix them.  Your condescending "humor" is a turn off.  Thank you.

  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

    Lion still rates a mediocre 3.5 stars, down from 4.0 for all versions.

    Then get your facys straight as well. There is an issue for a few people, But it gives no reason for them to talk of rubbishing Lion and Apple. Lion rates a 4, the 3.5 was from the initial release. Every other systaem has rated a 4 as well. When I say an update will be out forward, I mean an update which will deal with the issues that Apple see as needing attention. We will not know what they are until that next realease comes along. There may not even be a fix in it. Snow Leopard was finally stabilised for most in 10.6.6 and perfected, many claim, by 10.6.8.  Tiger went to 10.4.11.

     

    So I am suggesting that, no, the problem is not system wide or I would think Apple would have been swamped by now, everybody would have complained and it's rating would be half a star.

     

    But that is not the case. If you bothered to go back to my previous post, and not even edit the post you did, I said that it was obvious that a few users were having a legit problem.

     

    So don't misquote in the first time, or rant about one line you wish to pick up on.

     

    Good Luck

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    Another miss(us).  The stars are dynamic, I believe.  As I recall, Lion rated higher when it first came out.  I bought it the very first day all eager because it was rated so high.  So far as I understand, subsequent versions of Lion have not resolved the issues raised in this forum.

     

    How nice it was for you to acknowledge that "a few users were having a legit problem."  Like a hundred?  A thousand?  Ten thousand?  A million?  And what problem is it that you find "legit"?  Apple's not talking.  But the forums are.  The techs are.  Even some members of the press are (hush!).

     

    I didn't misquote you in the slightest.  If you unnecessarily put people down, people will notice.  Stop it or stop complaining when they do.  Let's get back to solving the problems.

  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    Another miss(us).  The stars are dynamic, I believe.  As I recall, Lion rated higher when it first came out.  I bought it the very first day all eager because it was rated so high.  So far as I understand, subsequent versions of Lion have not resolved the issues raised in this forum.

     

    How nice it was for you to acknowledge that "a few users were having a legit problem."  Like a hundred?  A thousand?  Ten thousand?  A million?  Apple's not talking.  But the forums are.  The techs are.  Even some members of the press (hush!).

     

    I didn't misquote you in the slightest.  If you put people down, people will notice.  Stop it or stop complaining when they do.  Let's get back to solving the problem.

    Yep, just as I thought. Good luck, you will need it in the face of technology.

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    Don't cry for me, Argentina. 

     

    Technology has no face.  People have faces.  People make things, break things, and fix things.  After 35 years in this business, you learn humility, that computing is an art.  Apple is still learning. 

     

    Good night.  Happy new year.

  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    After 35 years in this business, you learn humility, that computing is an art.  Apple is still learning.

     

    Wow, 35 years and you are still hanging around troubleshooting forums moaning. I see the humility in it. Complaining is your art. lol

     

    Bye

  • lesliefromstockton-on-tees Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)
    Obviously a small percentage do have problems, but millions do not, so whatever I suppose. Love Lion, have forgotten what SL even looked like like so if there is an issue it is only to a miniscule of users. Apple, I am sure will address this in an update if the problem is OS system wide.

     

                     Unfounded assumptions and so far, unfounded confidence.  In the Apple Store, that warehouse of

                     optimism and heightened expectations, Lion still rates a mediocre 3.5 stars, down from 4.0 for all

                     versions.

     

    Bob, not sure where he is coming from, is he on Apple's payrole or just blind to the fact that there are issues?  I have just changed from being a PC user and feel quite at home with all the Lion issues - Vista was great fun getting it to work prior to Windows 7!!!

     

    Lion is good but it simply doesn't work well on Macbook Pro's - mine is new from the Apple shop, poor battery life, was 7hrs easy from new, now post 'upgrade' 2.5 to 3 if I am lucky.  Nothing on the lappie, just Lion and a copy of Pages.  Also restored direct from Apple over the internet and still the same. 

     

    In terms of who does it affect, well, I know six people, five are new Apple users, one is a long time user - all five have upgraded and have battery issues and the long time user has not upgraded.  It is interesting that I am the only one to raise concern with Apple, the rest complain but 'assume' others will sort it.

     

    I have tried the latest beta, this pushes battery life to 4hrs so still short - please be warned that the beta is risky - Safari locks out on a regular basis and video playback is poor!!

     

    Not good Apple.

     

     

    Lets keep the focus on sharing our problems but I think the only people that can cure it is Apple.

  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)

    lesliefromstockton-on-tees wrote:

     

    Not good Apple.

     

     

    Lets keep the focus on sharing our problems but I think the only people that can cure it is Apple.

    Tell them

     

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

  • yiannis. Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Since I discovered this thread, I performed some tests in order to post the results here.

     

    From what I could see, there is absolutely no issue when I'm running only one process per time and in static mode (no cursors moving, multi gestures etc).

     

    For instance, I did the QuickTime test (as per MacWorld --> http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/macbook-pro-unibody-faq/macboo k-pro-13-15-17-mid-2010-battery-life-real-world-use.html twice last week. Brightness at 50%, sound level at 100% and I got 4h50m of continuous playing. This is 30 minutes more than the original model, but consider that I have SSD.

     

    Safari 'static' Test (50% brightness, screen savers off, no cursors /multigestures) seemed ok as well, though I didn't took it until the end.

     

    The problem seems to appear when you move cursors, multi-touching and generally having a more dynamic use. Also there is a clear problem during sleeping mode

     

     

    Real life Tests:


    1) with normal browsing with brightness at 75% I get merely 4 hours. I'm at 89% of battery design capacity, but remember: I have SSD.

     

    2) in sleeping mode: It was at 73% at 07h34 yesterday morning and I found it at 61% at 17h58 when I came back. This is about 1% per hour.

     

     

    The battery life has been significantly reduced since I've switched to Lion, no matter what those one-process-static tests say. Save sleeping mode, I can't really quantify the problem, it's not my job, neither I have time for further tests. It's Apple's job to do so. And 1700+ replies confirm that there's a problem..


  • ckelleyb Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Same thing -- Lion killed my original battery with only 50 cycles. It ran out during sleep mode and stopped taking a charge after.  Bought a new battery, lucky to get an hour out of normal use. Lucky to get an hour and a half out of seriously limited use preserving battery life. 

     

    We have another macbook (the last white model) and there are absolutely no battery issues on that.  I thought I was alone with the MBPro...

     

    Macbook Pro 3,1 6GB RAM