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  • daycor Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

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  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)

    htmanning wrote:

     

    Lion is Apple's Vista. 

    Wow, that's clever. Did you come up with that one?

     

    Cheer Up

  • Rayced Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    ReDRuMxxx wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

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    Copies of lion sold by 10/4/11 6,000,000, attrib: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/04/6-million-copies-of-lion-and-other-impressive-app le-sales-figure/

     

     

    Interpreting “most” as meaning more than half:

     

     

    “Most” copies of Lion Sold 3,000,001, attrib: Csound1

     

     

    Number of unique posters on this site: less than ten thousand, attrib: unsubstantiated observation

     

     

    Percentage of users with problems 0.000332 attrib: Csound1

     

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    That you persist in stating that “most” users of OSX Lion have varied problems including but not limited to short battery life does a great disservice to those interested in a solution, instead of seeking the common factor amid a small subset of installations they (if they put credence in you) are looking for the common factor amongst 3,000,001 installations, a search that I will wager money won’t succeed.


     

    I'm not sure what you did there but 0.000332% of 3000000 is 10 people. You're saying that out of 3 million installations only 10 are "bad"?

     

    You're right, a typo

     

    Well probably it'll be a better statistic if you also include people who has gone straight at a Genius Bar to get this issue solved.

     

    Do you know those numbers too?

  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)

    Rayced wrote:

     

    Well probably it'll be a better statistic if you also include people who has gone straight at a Genius Bar to get this issue solved.

     

    Do you know those numbers too?

    Of course. They were included.

     

    Cheers

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    That you persist in stating that “most” users of OSX Lion have varied problems including but not limited to short battery life does a great disservice to those interested in a solution, instead of seeking the common factor amid a small subset of installations they (if they put credence in you) are looking for the common factor amongst 3,000,001 installations, a search that I will wager money won’t succeed.

    First of all, I never said that "most users of OSX Lion have varied problems including but not limited to short battery life...etc., etc."  That's your  fabrication, not mine.  if you're attributing it to me, you're a liar.  If to someone else, duke it out elsewhere.

     

    As for your statistics, they're meaningless, the sort of actuarial numerology that people who aren't in the know throw around to substitute for  knowledge of the facts.  For all we know, all 3 million (or 6 million, which is it?) sales are resulting in disappointed users.  Or maybe it's just 10 or 100.  None of that means a fig. It certainly doesn't help customers to plan workarounds or anticipate when their machines might again work properly if Apple doesn't even acknowledge the problem.  

     

    The common perception here and elsewhere -- now in Forbes -- is that Apple muffed it with Lion and by failing to take leadership in solving problems, leaving its computer customers dangling in the wind, is damaging its reputation and its brand.  What Forbes further insinuates is that Apple, now enamored of smartphone and iPad sales, no longer cares what its computer users think.  It's a consumer electronics and media sales company now.  I hope Forbes is wrong, suspect it is not.

  • Rayced Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    mulligans missus wrote:

     

    Rayced wrote:

     

    Well probably it'll be a better statistic if you also include people who has gone straight at a Genius Bar to get this issue solved.

     

    Do you know those numbers too?

    Of course. They were included.

     

    Cheers

     

    This is a lie. Goodbye.

  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)

    Rayced wrote:

     

    This is a lie. Goodbye.

    No. we counted them especially for you.

  • Rayced Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    Franc_Iphone wrote:

     

    First, APPLE do come here - I have sent enough people from engineering here. So have others.

     

    Two, APPLE have contacted people on this thread.

     

    Three, APPLE are working on a fix

     

    Four, products like GFXcardStatus help a LOT *and* APPLE know this and used this info to help diagnose

     

    Five, we have it on GOOD faith that Apple recently hired the GFXcardstatus developer

     

    Six, I have been working with APPLE exec team and engineering. They have taken diagnostics from me and many others.

     

    Seven, Apple have not publically admitted anything which is a shame. They have told me they are aware and the problem seems related to some programs doing worse under LION when calling older methods for any GUI work.

     

    Eight, there is a genuine problem, Apple know about it, there are things in the work, I cannot share thanks to their agreements when you go into Beta or testing of "fixes".

     

    So, for the rest of you, without a problem or speak for which you know little about, GO AWAY. For the rest of us, we are not happy it is taking so long BUT we are happier to know, we are NOT ALONE.

     

    Exceuse me I have one question: did the engeeniers you talked to specifically said that the issue is related with the new GUI in Lion?

  • Rayced Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    mulligans missus wrote:

     

    Rayced wrote:

     

    This is a lie. Goodbye.

    No. we counted them especially for you.

    Then probably you guys need to get back to school. Or probably just eat some winged cheese.

  • aliehsh Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I am sure there are many people, like myself, that have downloaded Lion and decided to wait for installation after referring to this forum and the other sources of information on the web.

  • Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Rayced, yes. I posted the details before of what I was told. But here's what I learned. Programs pre-lion were obviosuly written to make calls to the GUI (GPU) etc. through the existing supported platform technologies. Under LION, these (now) older calls "seem to be less efficient than they were on the older platforms" and "Apple are looking into this"... Now whether they can do anything about it, only they know.

  • yiannis. Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Franc_Iphone wrote:

     

    Rayced, yes. I posted the details before of what I was told. But here's what I learned. Programs pre-lion were obviosuly written to make calls to the GUI (GPU) etc. through the existing supported platform technologies. Under LION, these (now) older calls "seem to be less efficient than they were on the older platforms" and "Apple are looking into this"... Now whether they can do anything about it, only they know.

     

    It has to do with the GUI, I'm quite sure about that.

    However, it's not only due to pre-Lion apps. Following your solution post two weeks back, I did a clean installation and let only Lion native apps for a few days, but one of the same: Battery life was still poor.

  • Rayced Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    Franc_Iphone wrote:

     

    Rayced, yes. I posted the details before of what I was told. But here's what I learned. Programs pre-lion were obviosuly written to make calls to the GUI (GPU) etc. through the existing supported platform technologies. Under LION, these (now) older calls "seem to be less efficient than they were on the older platforms" and "Apple are looking into this"... Now whether they can do anything about it, only they know.

     

    I can't understand something. At first you said that to solve the battery drain you had to get rid of some 3d party kernel extensions. What that has to do with the GUI?!

  • Franc_Iphone Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Rayced, there are multiple issues. I made it clear that I can still start old programs (without GFXcardstatus) and kill battery life.

     

    The removing of the startup programs also gave me significant improved battery life (that I used to only get for a short while after an SMC reset). And now I get permanently.

     

    God knows what else is going on but its moving in the right direction and Apple are continuing to evolve a solution...