Q: Lion - Horrible MacBook Pro Battery Life

Bob Jacobson wrote:

 

Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce, unable or unwilling to respond to its users still-enthusiastic willingness to remain a a part of it all.  They know what we need so much better than we do ourselves. Right.

 

Here's more news about Mountain Lion 10.8 (also noted in papalapapp's well-written post, above).  Yet more dumbing down to come.  From Apple Insider blog:

A developer preview of the forthcoming operating system update was released to developers on Thursday, and Apple has boasted that Mountain Lion packs over 100 new features, including many brought from the iPad and iOS mobile operating system.

"The Mac is on a roll, growing faster than the PC for 23 straight quarters, and with Mountain Lion things get even better," said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing. "The developer preview of Mountain Lion comes just seven months after the incredibly successful release of Lion and sets a rapid pace of development for the world’s most advanced personal computer operating system."

"Incredibly successful release of Lion"?  Sure, if you misrepresent a weak product, people are going to buy it based on their expectations from the past.  To so blatantly ignore what's gone down is outrageous.

 

And oh, how we so love those great iPad and iOS operating systems. Buy me an app for my birthday!  And who can live without "Siri"?  Systems designed for dolts.  I guess it is time to start looking elsewhere -- or for Apple to cut loose the Mac division and let it sink or swim without the baggage of the digital toys. Keep the compatability but lose the lame interface designs and performance.  I bet it -- and we -- would do just fine.

 

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/02/16/apple_unveils_mac_os_x_108_mountai n_lion_coming_this_summer.html

Sorry but what does this have to do with battery life? The battery life issue may well be fixed under a new OS. What you are saying here are basically gripes that belong in other forums. OSX 10.8 has not even been released yet and you are panning a brief overview of it. This thread is for the battery issue that some of us are having or have had. People like Franc_Iphone have worked hard on this issue and now you come here completely off subject and break the continuity of the thread. It is unhelpful unless you have something that points towards battery improvement or not in a not yet released OS. If not, please keep to the topic here.

Pete

Oh please.  Everyone here has worked hard to deal with the battery issue.  But Apple has yet to come clean about it and now there's another OS coming with who knows what new issues.  If you don't see something systemically wrong with Apple's approach, then enjoy your eye candy and iCloud-dependency -- but tell me, what does a new OS have to do with satisfactory battery life, either?  Should we just get used to short-lived battery life and inordinate broadband-usage that will inevitably drive up our wireless and cable costs?

Exactly. Example: A "Mountain Lion" is actually a Puma which is called Mountain Lion even though it isn't a real Lion. The same is happening here. They keep telling you that everything is ok even though it isn't ok in real life. They want to sell us a Puma for a Lion.

But on the other hand... Puma was 10.1 and afaik there weren't any battery issues. At least not on my white iBook. Hope!

Hi Franc,

I was so shocked by the news this morning that I did not read your post.  I think this re-enforces the link I was sent some months ago from Apple regarding OpenGL.  http://support.apple.com/kb/TS4044?viewlocale=en_US

It looks like they are sticking to that line.

So what options have we at this juncture?- I came up with these:

1) Roll back to 10.6 and accept that 3rd party code and OS X play nicer together.

2) Stick with 10.7 accept the poor life until such times as all app devs. re-engineer for newer API's / graphics calls.

3) Get on bended knees each night until summer and wait for 1.8 praying to the Cupertino OS devs.

Personally, and I am sure this is what Apple wants (baaa   baa) I will take the nice features of Option 2 combined with a small amount of option 3.  ;-)

@petermac87 As much as options 2/3 will be my accepted choice, my sensibilities tell me that this is not the correct response.  I think what @Bob Jacobson is really saying (sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth) is that the lack of development / attention to this issue is bourne out by adding more frivolous features to an OS that does not have it's existing issues ironed out.  Lipstick on a pig? I hope not, but based on current situation it's a possibility.

For me, I'll accept the drop in battery life and hope that Mountain Lion is to Lion what Snow Leopard was to Leopard.

Final remark, How much longer should we feed this thread before accepting this will not get resolved?

Bob Jacobson wrote:

 

Oh please.  Everyone here has worked hard to deal with the battery issue.  But Apple has yet to come clean about it and now there's another OS coming with who knows what new issues.  If you don't see something systemically wrong with Apple's approach, then enjoy your eye candy and iCloud-dependency -- but tell me, what does a new OS have to do with satisfactory battery life, either?  Should we just get used to short-lived battery life and inordinate broadband-usage that will inevitably drive up our wireless and cable costs?

And I again ask what your rant is doing to help the battery debate. Do you have evidence that it will or will not be fixed in the next OSX? I do not use iCloud. I have most of the eye candy as you call it, turned off. I had serious battery issues. That is why I came to this thread to find you ranting about the next OS and that last sentence is pure speculation. Please stick to the subject. Lion is the current OS and it has battery issues. Don't rant about something that doesn't exist yet, Take notice of how Franc handles himself in this debate.

Regards

Pete

You're absolutely right, Pete.  I thought about this after my post and came to the same conclusion.  I guess I just want a last word before being welded onto the chain gang.  There's no debate here:  Apple is in charge.  All we can do is hope for the best.  I earlier said I couldn't wait for OS 10.8.  Be careful what you wish for! 

What I do know is that I was about to go out and buy my partner her first big Mac (she's been using a White Macbook).  Now I won't.  I'll have to wait for OS 10.8 to see what machines will and will not be compatible, if third-party apps will work, and how long for both -- and yes, whether it's safe to install 10.8.  You can bet I'm not going to jump at the opportunity as I did for Lion.  Having been a serious Mac user since the Apple II, I can tell you this: it all feels very weird.  I no longer recognize the company whose product I once salvaged as the one item I couldn't live without when abandoning a burning home.

Thanks for the perspecitve.

You are welcome.

Pete

Bob Jacobson wrote:

 

Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce,

What does the ethnicity of any of Apples employees have to do with this thread?

Csound1 wrote:

 

Bob Jacobson wrote:

 

Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce,

What does the ethnicity of any of Apples employees have to do with this thread?

That's nationality. If he'd said "asian", that's ethnicity.

Do you want some cheese? It's ethnic.

Bob Jacobson wrote:

 

Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce,

What does the ethnicity of any of Apples employees have to do with this thread?

I didn't mean "Chinese" as in ethnicity, I meant Chinese as in near-slave labor.  People forced to work in unforgivable conditions don't produce the greatest products ever.  The products themselves have to be simplified to adapt to the working conditions which, in this case, discourage individual aptitude, capability, and care.  It's called Fordism (based on Henry Ford's assembly line) and historically it results in cookie-cutter products of limited quality. Unfortunately, the intellectual germ behind this approach is catching and now it's being injected into software development that is simplistic, that results in battery-life and other issues.  It even dictates user behavior that is lock-step.

I expect all that to change once Lenovo partners with Samsung and Asian labor in general becomes inventively competitive with Cupertino's.  I attribute Apple's rush to ensnare as many customers as possible in its iron grip to the realization that the day is not far off when there will be an alternative.  Maybe then batteries will last longer.  And Apple will be forced to compete on other than market monopolization, which will be all to the good for all computer users and Apple.

Pete's right, though, it doesn't pay to be a prophet wailing outside the walls.  Might as well enjoy the fruits of Apple's waning ingenuity. Thanks for permitting me to clarify my comments. I have high expectations for China as a culture and a society.  It seems to be doing much that's right while we persist in heading in the other direction.  Apple certainly appreciates some of what China has to offer, wouldn't you say?  So should we.  Back to batteries.

Rayced wrote:

 

Csound1 wrote:

 

Bob Jacobson wrote:

 

Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce,

What does the ethnicity of any of Apples employees have to do with this thread?

 

That's nationality. If he'd said "asian", that's ethnicity.

Do you want some cheese? It's ethnic.

So what does nationality have to do with it. Either way I find it a bit racist. And what does any of this have to do with dealing with the battery issue?

Rayced, I have just looked at some of your other posts and they are all about cheese. If you have nothing intelligent to offer on the subject as most here do, them please make a nusience of yourself elsewhere.

Thank You

Pete

Sorry Bob. I posted while you where explaining yourself. Sory for the cross over.

Message was edited by: petermac87

petermac87 wrote:

 

Rayced, I have just looked at some of your other posts and they are all about cheese. If you have nothing intelligent to offer on the subject as most here do, them please make a nusience of yourself elsewhere.

 

Thank You

 

Pete

 

 

You're welcome.

I'll let you deal with this guy, little genious.

Have fun.

What? How do you get away with being a Troll here. I cannot believe people tollerate you here. Anyhow, we will move along without your cheese (?) input, and ignore your non relevence. I see also that this is about the only thread you ever comment in.

So anyway, looks from what Franc says that there is no battery fix on the horizon with Lion and we have no idea what may come with 10.8 but hopefully they may look at the machines as well. As I said earlier, my early 2007 MBP is still flying along under Lion with no battery issues at all. Since taking my new MBP back to the store after struggling for two hours battery life, and having them replace the machine, I now get 5 hours battery life which may not be what is advertised, but is certainly what I would realistically expect with the workflow and tasks I use. So in my case, it APPEARS to be machine related, but again not enough proof here, but two identical MBPs? One 2 hours, next one 5? Hmmm, the mystery continues, but let's hope it continues to be on the agenda at Apple.

Regards

Pete

Bob Jacobson wrote:

 

Bob Jacobson wrote:

 

Yup, we're dealing with just another big corporation now, bloated with bureaucrats, order takers, and a largely Chinese workforce,

What does the ethnicity of any of Apples employees have to do with this thread?

I didn't mean "Chinese" as in ethnicity, I meant Chinese as in near-slave labor.  People forced to work in unforgivable conditions don't produce the greatest products ever.  The products themselves have to be simplified to adapt to the working conditions which, in this case, discourage individual aptitude, capability, and care.  It's called Fordism (based on Henry Ford's assembly line) and historically it results in cookie-cutter products of limited quality. Unfortunately, the intellectual germ behind this approach is catching and now it's being injected into software development that is simplistic, that results in battery-life and other issues.  It even dictates user behavior that is lock-step.

 

I expect all that to change once Lenovo partners with Samsung and Asian labor in general becomes inventively competitive with Cupertino's.  I attribute Apple's rush to ensnare as many customers as possible in its iron grip to the realization that the day is not far off when there will be an alternative.  Maybe then batteries will last longer.  And Apple will be forced to compete on other than market monopolization, which will be all to the good for all computer users and Apple.

 

Pete's right, though, it doesn't pay to be a prophet wailing outside the walls.  Might as well enjoy the fruits of Apple's waning ingenuity. Thanks for permitting me to clarify my comments. I have high expectations for China as a culture and a society.  It seems to be doing much that's right while we persist in heading in the other direction.  Apple certainly appreciates some of what China has to offer, wouldn't you say?  So should we.  Back to batteries.

I find your post racist.

I find your post racist.

Right, and the Tea Party thinks Obama is racist.

The easiest calumny to toss at someone.  But my point sticks.