Q: Unable to search network drives with Lion...

I believe it's easy for some to overlook a major player in this equation.  Many IT individuals fought hard to steer their corporations in the apple directions with various successes, and failures.   For some the success might only have come as buying all new laptops as macbook pro's or macbook air for example.   This allowed much more user friendly seemless/administration for these machines and was a step towards supporting an innovated US based company's computer products.

Unfortunately IT upgrade budgets in MANY small to large businesses run in several year cycles and this throws a major wrench into the process. When your end user cannot easily access the NT server storage with important research work without long delays when using a 3rd party software or additional load on the server caused by a 3rd party indexing app.... outlook not so good (just checked my 8ball).

But yes.... we made the decision to go that direction, we have some workarounds at our disposal, but moving forward without allowing seemless integration with basic network functionalities looks like two steps backwards.

Thank god im not in IT anymore and in MY favorite restaurant every dish is awesome and the menu always changes. :-)

Ah ha. Nice. Great summary.

vjkevlar wrote:

 

... Many IT individuals fought hard to steer their corporations in the apple directions with various successes, and failures.   For some the success might only have come as buying all new laptops as macbook pro's or macbook air for example.

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Very well worded!  I know a few people who had to fight hard and long to get the Mac accepted by the IT department and some others got a strict NO without any room to wiggle.

I am actually currently in the very same situation myself and the main argument by the IT department is always the alleged lack of compatibility between Apple and the MS server&software.  This is just another reason for the IT to abandon the Mac from the intranet once more again. Thank you, Apple. Actually, I do not consider this as whining ... soon I must very likely go back to an MS-based system again... just because Apple remains so stubborn in this matter.

macobs30 wrote:

 

I am actually currently in the very same situation myself and the main argument by the IT department is always the alleged lack of compatibility between Apple and the MS server&software.  This is just another reason for the IT to abandon the Mac from the intranet once more again. Thank you, Apple.

You're missing an important point: Microsoft has no interest in being compatible with the competition. In fact, they had to be forced by the EU in 2004 to open up documentation on SMB and CIFS to everyone, especially the Samba project. Microsoft also received a $280 million fine for anti-competitiveness. It took them three years to produce the required docs on SMB and five years for CIFS. Purchase of the docs is $10.000 plus you need to sign an NDA and you still have to write your code around the patents that M$ holds on SMB/CIFS. Thank you, Microsoft!

Ask your IT department about the annual costs of your Microsoft lock-in. I bet  that for 1/20th of the money your company has transferred to Microsoft last year only, you could by a Mac Pro with Lion Server and a nice 6 TB Thunderbolt storage and serve files to both Windows and Mac users without problems. That is, if your IT department is supportive.

But Microsoft's business model is to avoid their cash cows Windows and Office being compatible to anything. Given that your company or university or whoever decided to pay ridiculous amounts of money for being not compatible to the rest of the world, who are you to complain about Apple who sell their server software for $50 with an unlimited number of client licenses? You're barking at wrong tree, mate. You should ask those for support that receive the big bucks from you. But as I said, they don't have any interest in that kind of support.

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You are the worst kind of apple supporter. People like you have over the years due to your blind admiration for apple kept this company from advancing because they are the ones who assume the apologist's hat and perpeptually rationalize away problems always by projecting them to some dreaded outside force, google, microsoft... ad infinitum. Never a responsibility is thus assumed in this type of thinking, and where apple makes one step forward, it then makes two steps back. I am very sorry to see that this type of thinking is also shared by quite a few people at apple very evidently. The irony in this is that people like yourself actually think you are contributing to apple's growth this way when they couldn't be hurting it more.

The actuality here is that apple have been making advances to pro and business users and when people are finally gaining confidence in them they put them on a very difficult spot at having to apologise to boses and work mates that they even suggested apple to begin with seeing as how very unreliable they prove themselves to be again in such core os issues. Rationalize away, accuse me, write diatribes on it, that's the hard fact here and that can't change.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

I don't want to comment on your allegations. Instead I have a simple list of facts for you:

• on November 5, 1999 Microsoft was found guilty of monopoly abuse. Quote from the Judge: "Microsoft executives had "proved, time and time again, to be inaccurate, misleading, evasive, and transparently false. ... Microsoft is a company with an institutional disdain for both the truth and for rules of law that lesser entities must respect. It is also a company whose senior management is not averse to offering specious testimony to support spurious defenses to claims of its wrongdoing." They appealed, avoided to get broken up in two seperate OS and App companies and later, when the political climate changed (Clinton -> George W. Bush) reached a settlement to share documentation of APIs. "Andrew Chin, an antitrust law professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill who assisted Judge Jackson in drafting the findings of fact, wrote that the settlement gave Microsoft "a special antitrust immunity to license Windows and other 'platform software' under contractual terms that destroy freedom of competition. Microsoft now enjoys illegitimately acquired monopoly power in the market for Web browser software products."
• In March 2004, the EU ordered Microsoft to pay €497 million because of anti-competitive practices
• On 12 July 2006, the EU fined Microsoft for an additional €280.5 million
• On 27 February 2008, the EU fined Microsoft an additional €899 million

Quotes are from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Microsoft_competition_case and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft

This is one is also a nice read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_litigation

My personal opinion is that every cent into Microsofts throat is one cent too much.

I know that this is completely off-topic, but I think it is important to know the criminal record of the competition.

I don't think anyone has EVER disputed the practices of Microsoft.  Only the shareholders find the employed practices to be copacetic.  Just like the oil companies shareholders are the only persons who don't find the exorbiant gas prices to be offensive.  In referance to this thread, just like Microsoft's and Big Oil's business practices, there is nothing anyone can really do.  Mac addicts will not give up thier macs. Businesses will not give up the established compatibility and hotfixes of Windows/Office.  NOONE is going to give up driving.

Gone are the days where pickets and protests had any impact on how folks did business.  Noone really cares anymore about that sort of thing as long as there is internet access and updates on Benifer and Bradjolina.

That is just to say that for all of any of our bluster, none of us are going to change what we are doing.  We picked our macs for a reason(mine was curiosity - I will say my unit is neat, but it's not really brought anything to the table for me...yes, it was a waste of money, no, i cannot get my money back, so yes, yes, yes....I am going to have to keep my mac - I won't buy another, nor will I encourage macs for my friends and family - unless they are photographers or graphic artists that are MAKING MONEY with thier computers).

We are stuck with them.  Without radical action, we are stuck with Mac and dealing with whatever Mac wants us to deal with.

Wait... Graphic artists make MONEY with computers?  I can say its a tool of my trade but I don't make money per say. No real money, stop wall street money. It's like a pain brush to an artist or a pair of sneakers for lebron.

Yah!  I would suggest a mac for my Goddaughter(she does marketing and graphic artsy stuff...knows that red is ffdd and other stuff like that....) so she could use it for her business.  I think that Macs process and understand color better than regular pc's.  That is why I would suggest it for photogs as well.  My cousin is a photographer and raves on about what Macs bring to the table when working with pics.  He is, however, mucho dismayed about the search capabilities.  He runs a windows server at home and has over 2tb of videos and pics, so a limited search ability would deeply hinder his ability to work...

Throw in that he would need to search for metadata and well......you can imagine.

We have two 16tb servers that until last week I couldn't search fast or effiently. We actually though about going back to the Mac server. It's a bold stand by apple. These are the growing pains.

I find the business plan is different than what I would have done

Mac is far superior in arty stuff (lol) and in the package design we do, it's invaluable. Like you said, the photography interface with programs like capture one are incredible. But hey, if I wanted to run a spread sheet (ho hum) I go to a pc.

The Internet is the same on both. MAybe a slight edge Mac.

I could NOT do without my iTunes tho

Funny, even with 10.7.3, I still get NOTHING when I run a search on our network drive. And it's beyond maddening. As the sole Mac user in a Windows based legal practice, I am quickly losing credibility for continuing with Mac.

I STILL don't have the hang of iTunes....my daughter makes iTunes her b!tCh, though!  I guess it's a generational thang....

Rick,

We have more than a few Macaddicts in my workplace, but the only mac(and it may be gone now) was down in CSSU(Crime Scene Search Unit) and primarily used to draw...well...crime scenes.  We used to have a guy in our print shop that used a mac, but he retired years ago and noone can tell where his equipment went...I assume he took it with him...

Our CAD users use pc's...and to the best of my knowledge there are no macs on our network.  I have a bit of a rep for tinkering, so folks tend to not let me near any equipment that remotely looks interesting.

It's hard being a standout...I can imagine multiple scenarios where you would tell your co-workers of your superior device and then they ask you to bring up a document and your search just stalls out....THEN to add insult to injury, the low man out that got stuck with the only Pentium 3 in the office searches for the same document and has it seconds.  While playing freecell.  That would have to sting...

Hi Mojo66...

your message was edited by ... Apple    Interesting

!! That means Apple IS listening !!

The IT department of my current oreganization is very big and has several thousand users. They officially support Mac, Linux/Unix and Win. The hotline can handle all three OS's. They are very pragmatic, modern and open minded. But in this searching-issue case they told me to copy everything on a local hard disk and use the NAS servers as a backup, which is not always possible for different reasons.

They do have AFP based servers, but just for the mac versions of software. Unfortunately, they do not offer file servers based on AFP.  They explained me once why... but that was too much IT talk and unfortunately beyond my IT capabilities. Maybe I should propose them the extremeZ-IP solution.

I am now in the process entering another big organization, who told me right away "No Macs, period!".  What can I do !? I am not in any position of telling them stop giving MS more $....

One of the main/actual points of this thread is that searching DID work with SL and now it does not anymore. And as far as I know there is no official and reasonable explanation WHY.  Just saying there is a different smb does not really sound very reasonable to most of us, in particular, when all other access such as mapping drives is easily feasible.

Hi Macobs30, as I wrote before, the search also does not work on other drives (NTSF), not only SMB. Therefore, I would say that the problem is somewhere deeper in the system, than in the SMBX. Perhaps that's also the reason why it is not yet fixed even in 10.7.3