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Graham Perrin

Q: sidebar missing from iCal in Lion — seeking a third party product to restore lost functionality

Apple has removed the sidebar, the always-on list of calendars that required no click.

 

The shallow popover that appears only when clickedobscuring part of the calendar before disappearing — is to me (and some others) an unacceptable substitute for working with multiple calendars, especially where calendars are grouped across multiple servers.

 

I'm aware of third party alternatives to iCal. (Most full-featured calendar interfaces do have an always-on full-height list of calendars. Probably the best known alternative to iCal is BusyCal.)

 

This topic does not seek alternatives; I do wish to continue using iCal, albeit in a way that is less frustrating than what Apple forces upon users of 10.7.

 

This topic seeks:

 

  • a third party product that will restore lost functionality to iCal.

 

To any developer who reads this topic: please, I beg you, on my knees, submit your iCal sidebar app — or whatever you wish to call it — to the App Store as soon as you can. I'll gladly pay, and more than gladly help to test any pre-Store development version.

 

Other readers please note: whilst I'm extraordinarily frustrated by Apple's design decision, this is not an invitation to rant. Let's gain something constructive from this discussion.

 

If you wish Apple to restore the sidebar to iCal, as an option, then please:

 

    • submit iCal feedback to Apple, with your use case; explain why for you personally the limited disappearing popover is a poor substitute; explain how the sidebar will improve both (a) your productivity and (b) your appreciation of Apple's software.

 

Side note: no category includes iCal, so I file this opening post under Using Mac OS X v10.7 Lion.

 

Thank you

Graham

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7), 8 GB MacBookPro5,2 GeForce 9600M GT

Posted on Jul 21, 2011 8:45 AM

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  • by Brian Reimer,

    Brian Reimer Brian Reimer Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM in response to Hugh Kremer
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    Feb 14, 2012 9:57 AM in response to Hugh Kremer

    Has anyone noticed that all you need do is type command-1/2/3/4 to switch between day/week/month/year view?

     

    How hard is that? Then look at the view you prefer; click on the slot you want, to make you appt. and command-1/2/3/4 back to the one you prefer?

     

    Now the calendar list, I wish I had, but that’s not life threatening.

     

    Let’s all breath deeply and we’ll all be good. I’ve been using a Mac since August 1984. In 1985 I spent $800 for the 128K upgrade so then I had 512K.

  • by Hugh Kremer,

    Hugh Kremer Hugh Kremer Feb 14, 2012 10:13 AM in response to Brian Reimer
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    Feb 14, 2012 10:13 AM in response to Brian Reimer

    Let’s all breath deeply and we’ll all be good. I’ve been using a Mac since August 1984. In 1985 I spent $800 for the 128K upgrade so then I had 512K.

     

    Wow, that's really condescending. Are you our life coach today? And what does removing UI features have to do with your having a Mac in 1985?

  • by wbossons,

    wbossons wbossons Feb 14, 2012 10:37 AM in response to Hugh Kremer
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    Feb 14, 2012 10:37 AM in response to Hugh Kremer

    Two observations:

     

    1.  Mac Lion is the answer to Windows Vista in some ways not as bad, but in some other ways, easily as bad. Why fix what isn't broke? Mac Snow Leopard was a major advancement.

     

    2. iMail users want better client integration with Exchange, not a UI that was designed for a much smaller differently used device.  Think full-featured gentlemen and ladies and fix the stuff that wasn't working right in Snow Leopard's iMail.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Feb 14, 2012 3:52 PM in response to wbossons
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    Feb 14, 2012 3:52 PM in response to wbossons

    No idea about iMail, but Mail supports Exchange 2007 (sp1) onwards

  • by klackenstam,

    klackenstam klackenstam Feb 16, 2012 2:07 PM in response to Csound1
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    Feb 16, 2012 2:07 PM in response to Csound1

    The monthly overview and calendar overview will be back in Mountain Lion!!!

    (fast forward to 02.45) http://feber.se/mac/art/236417/hr_r_mountain_lion/

     

    But of course they are keeping the ugly fake leather look, usch!

  • by Graham Perrin,

    Graham Perrin Graham Perrin Feb 16, 2012 2:19 PM in response to klackenstam
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    Feb 16, 2012 2:19 PM in response to klackenstam

    Screen Shot 2012-02-16 at 22.13.20.png

     

    I am officially peeing my panties with pleasure.

  • by Graham Perrin,

    Graham Perrin Graham Perrin Feb 22, 2012 10:52 PM in response to Csound1
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    Feb 22, 2012 10:52 PM in response to Csound1

    Csound1, I'm glad to see your name here — thanks and thanks.

  • by Savasp,

    Savasp Savasp Mar 3, 2012 2:25 AM in response to Graham Perrin
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    Mar 3, 2012 2:25 AM in response to Graham Perrin

    How ironic we'll be paying for simple features like this to be reinstated.

     

    Maybe they'll remove it in 10.9 again, but shall certainly not hope for that.

  • by Graham Perrin,

    Graham Perrin Graham Perrin Mar 3, 2012 2:44 AM in response to Savasp
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    Mar 3, 2012 2:44 AM in response to Savasp

    Expect Lion to be supported for some time, and for some users of Lion to be unable to use Mountain Lion.

     

    Please do send feedback to Apple; we should continue to wish for the enhancement/fix to iCal in Lion.

  • by Savasp,

    Savasp Savasp Mar 3, 2012 2:47 AM in response to Graham Perrin
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    Mar 3, 2012 2:47 AM in response to Graham Perrin

    I'd like to hope so, but my feeling is Apple will not fix iCal in Lion and will leave it as a "feature" of Mountain Lion.

  • by Graham Perrin,

    Graham Perrin Graham Perrin Mar 3, 2012 2:54 AM in response to Savasp
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    Mar 3, 2012 2:54 AM in response to Savasp

    I hope so too. Only the feedback to Apple can translate our hopes into reality …

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Mar 3, 2012 6:45 AM in response to Graham Perrin
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    Mar 3, 2012 6:45 AM in response to Graham Perrin

    Graham Perrin wrote:

     

    Csound1, I'm glad to see your name here — thanks and thanks.

     

    Hi Graham, you too

  • by stevefromgladstone,

    stevefromgladstone stevefromgladstone Apr 3, 2012 9:01 PM in response to Graham Perrin
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    Apr 3, 2012 9:01 PM in response to Graham Perrin

    Everyone remembers the guy throwing the Sledgehammer and the big screen waking everyone up right?  I'm beginning to feel like Apple has lost sight.

     

    In a long list of gripes of common sense with Apple, I just got done with 20 minutes of digging through all of my preferences, settings, recheck, recheck, huh, I could have sworn there was a listing of all my calendars in iCal, but maybe I'm mistaken and thinking of a different calendar.  One Google search later, nope, 7 pages of complaints.

     

    My Gripe?  The ARROGANCE of Apple to change the funtionality of programs THAT I PAID FOR.  Who gives them the right to change funtionality, WITHOUT MY APPROVAL, thus stealing from me the software funtionality that was mine.  Their software on MY COMPUTER is not Apple's.  THIS IS MY F*((**&% COMPUTER.  If you need to update for security purposes, fine, please do so.

     

    DO NOT CHANGE MY SOFTWARE WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE.  Oh wait, they must think they know what is best for me otherwise they wouldn't remove the cd drive from my laptop, because I don't need it.  Not allow software to be upgraded, OS, unless the computer meets their specs, thus FORCING YOU to spend for new equipment.  iPhones, iPads, iTouch have all had updates that won't work if you are off one generation, thus EVERY APPLE ITEM has a determined shelf life in Apple's Matrix.  What other company creates products with a determined shelf life?   I have been a PC most of my life and recently started working on a new iMac, to go with my iTouch's, iPad, Apple Expresses, (which arent' supported now by their new software so they are on a slow death), Apple Extreme Router and 2 Apple TV.   Most updates on all of those items ADD FEATURES with updates, NOT REMOVE THEM.  This is not over Apple, you STOLE from me.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Apr 3, 2012 9:26 PM in response to stevefromgladstone
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    Apr 3, 2012 9:26 PM in response to stevefromgladstone

    Sorry to be the one to tell you but you don't own the software, never did. You do own a license to use it under Apples terms, which is now moot because you changed your OS for a new one, with a new license.

  • by stevefromgladstone,

    stevefromgladstone stevefromgladstone Apr 3, 2012 9:47 PM in response to Csound1
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    Apr 3, 2012 9:47 PM in response to Csound1

    Technically perhaps Csound1, I haven't read the fine print but will soon.  I cannot copy the software and sell it as my own, duh. 

     

    The simple fact is, yes, I own my computer, car and home.  I wish the builder would come back and do updates to the house, but he doesn't, but if he did and took out some doors to help with getting from room to room for me and replaced them with beads because he said it was best and I had to live with it, he and the beads would get thrown out.

     

    Toyota doesn't have me stop into their shop and tell me, we are updating the carb system for you, thus putting a throttling unit to keep you at 55 so you can save gas and maybe lives, so we are doing this because we know what is best for you, no they don't and if they did, that would be the last Toyota I would own.

     

    If, as you say, Apple has a right to change my software, then this will be the last Apple I own.  I am in the process of finding out how and when this change was made as it was recently.  If I didn't see and they informed me through an update that this was going to happen and I installed, then my bad.

     

    NO ONE has the right to remove functionality from software without notification of that change.  My iMac came with Lion and there has been one update to Lion in the short time I've had it.  Never has there been an iCal update that I can find.

     

    If, as you say, I am under license to Apple, then they should be on their way to my home to remove
    "their" software, because I'm sure I must be breaking the agreement by not updating it. 

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