Q: Disable autosave

babowa wrote:

 

This thread is not marked "resolved". I just checked.

 

Actually it was - on July 25th (note the "correct answer" awarded to putnik):

 

Since a "solved" option is no longer available, awarding a "correct answer" will result in showing that the question has been answered satisfactorily > ergo, the thread can be regarded as resolved by doing so.

Somebody somewhere has a very broad definition of "correct answer," then. Read this posting. It was made in response to another poster's question, not the OP's. It has little if anything to do with the thread question itself.

And the final statement, "If they hadn't renamed 'Save As' to 'Duplicate,' this thread would probably not exist" is also absurd. An entire host of issues relating to this "renaming" (which of course was not that at all) has been brought up in this thread.

In fact, the correct answer to the OP's question is "Auto Save cannot be disabled. We're Apple. We know your workflow better than you do. We can mess with your files any way we **** well please. If we've rendered some of your applications unusable in one fell stroke, then too bad for you. Welcome to 1984." [The irony of this, of course, is palpable.]

"If they hadn't renamed 'Save As' to 'Duplicate,' this thread would probably not exist" is also absurd. An entire host of issues relating to this "renaming" (which of course was not that at all) has been brought up in this thread.

 

Duplication is perfectly clear and easy to use.

The answer to the original question, as to how to disable autosave, is that you cannot.  If you want to ask Apple to make this optional, then submit feedback to Apple.

There were only two people with problems caused by autosave:

One person was editing large numbers of photos in a pdf file, without making a backup of the originals. I suggested that Preview may not be the appropriate application for viewing 50Gb (sic) of photo files.

Another person had problems with embedded videos in a Keynote presentation.

These may justify a bug report to Apple.

I'm not worried about being attributed with the solution or not. But I do try to present solutions, rather than rhetoric.

Duplication is perfectly clear and easy to use.

Unbelievable. You're as bad as Yvan. Do you think you're talking to children? As hard as this may be for you to believe, we do understand how Duplicate works. There's no need for you to explain it, or point it out.

Does the following really escape your grasp? I'll skip the steps that both have to accomplish, and that's giving the new file a name and clicking Save in the final dialogue box.

Using Save As to create a new file from an existing:

• Press Command+Shift+S

Using Duplicate to do the same thing:

• Duplicate

• Go back to the original open document

• Use the top menu to revert to its original state if you've made changes

• Close the original

• Press Command+S to finally save the duplicate to a new name

Please let me know if this needs to be explained further.

 

Using Save As to create a new file from an existing:

 

• Press Command+Shift+S

 

Using Duplicate to do the same thing:

 

• Duplicate

• Go back to the original open document

• Use the top menu to revert to its original state if you've made changes

• Close the original

• Press Command+S to finally save the duplicate to a new name

 

Please let me know if this needs to be explained further

You are wrong.

Both cases require you to input a new name eventually.

Both cases require you to save the original.

Both cases require you to save the copied version.

You only need to revert if your edits are not wanted. Save As does not have this ability.

You can't read, either. Everything you state is what I said.

Both cases require you to input a new name eventually.

I'll skip the steps that both have to accomplish, and that's giving the new file a name and clicking Save in the final dialogue box.

Both cases require you to save the original.

Very wrong. Save As does NOT require you to save the original. The new file automatically becomes the current open document, and the file it came from is automatically closed in whatever state it was last saved as by you.

Both cases require you to save the copied version.

I'll skip the steps that both have to accomplish, and that's giving the new file a name and clicking Save in the final dialogue box.

Kurt - you forgot to add

- move the renamed file to where you want it to be. This could involve quite a bit of clicking and mousing.

Hi Tom,

Have you noticed (it's really hard to miss ) that the thread has gone right back to the same garbage? Those who are all starry-eyed with the new workflow feel they need to tell those who don't want anything to do with it how wrong they are? That all others want is the option to choose whether or not to use it, meaning those starry-eyed folks won't lose a thing even if that happens? So why are they trying so **** hard to convince/convert us?

One person (I won't mention who, but I'm sure you know) said 50 people want the option. Hmm, try putting in "os x"+autosave+disable in Google. So far, there are 2.6 million topics in English alone. In those are multiple posts by people responding, asking how they can disable autosave/versions. So figure at minumum, 5 million people trying to find out how to turn this off.

Yes Kurt, but as I think I mentioned in an earlier post, I receive all notifications about this thread as emails.

I simply trash the fanboy emails without reading them. I just see the name. You know their name(s).

As for Autosave + Versioning,  intelligent third-party developers, such as Kurt Lemke at Graphic Converter, have included it as an option that is OFF by default. If anyone wants it they can turn it on.

My expectation is that other equally intelligent developers will do likewise and that eventually Apple will see sense. But I don't expect that to happen quickly.

Kurt Lang wrote:

 

Hi Tom,

 

Have you noticed (it's really hard to miss ) that the thread has gone right back to the same garbage? Those who are all starry-eyed with the new workflow feel they need to tell those who don't want anything to do with it how wrong they are? That all others want is the option to choose whether or not to use it, meaning those starry-eyed folks won't lose a thing even if that happens? So why are they trying so **** hard to convince/convert us?

Have you also noticed that they talk very loudly, often with considerable disdain (not to mention inaccuracy), when trying to tell us that we're somehow wrong in our thinking?

And yet, when challenged to point out exactly what calamities would befall Mac users if Auto Save/Versioning were the default but capable of being disabled, their silence is deafening. It's hard to take anyone seriously who can't respond to such a simple request, but instead hides beneath a rock and pretends the challenge was never put to them.

Consider this scenario. I open a photo, make an accidental change, close the file (Lion autosaves a version automatically even though I would have never saved on purpose.)

A year lapses.

I decide to burn this photo to a DVD or some other media because I need space until I can purchase a new hard disk.

Another year lapses and Time Machine has dutifully pruned my backups to make space for newer files.

I restore the photos from the DVD, open the photo and only now realize my accidental changes. I cannot revert to a previous version since the file was moved to external media.

The system has now automatically destroyed my original and I have no way of recovering the original.

This is not good.  Autosave has destroyed my document.  This is unacceptable.

As much as I like the versions feature, the autosave feature is clearly very dangerous.

I frequently make test changes to documents that I never plan on saving...now I'm afraid to open documents with products that have enabled the new autosave feature.

This feature needs to be thought through a bit more, it is dangerous as it is now.

Both cases require you to save the original.

Very wrong. Save As does NOT require you to save the original. The new file automatically becomes the current open document, and the file it came from is automatically closed in whatever state it was last saved as by you.

After all that... "skipping the  steps that both have to accomplish", just leaves the state of the original...

You are warned that the file has been edited. Closing it will save the edits, unless you choose to revert.

I question why you would copy a file unless you are happy with it, in which case you want to save the edits!

File>Revert brings up this dialogue:

I have submitted feedback to Apple. I have no doubt others will have also have done so, as this is a user forum only. It is quite pointless expecting any action on the matter here.

I find the personal comments highly offensive, but then this is the the very definition of a Troll.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Apple feedback:

There has been much criticism of the workflow required in Autosave and Versions.

Many people want the original document to be saved without the edits.

I think that much criticism could be avoided if, when closing an edited document, there was a dialogue to give the choice of "Save Edit or Revert to original".

This would avoid having to go to File>Revert and then to restore the previous version, which involves several more steps.

Kurt Lang wrote:

Using Duplicate to do the same thing:

 

• Duplicate

• Go back to the original open document

• Use the top menu to revert to its original state if you've made changes

• Close the original

• Press Command+S to finally save the duplicate to a new name

 

Please let me know if this needs to be explained further.

Wrong

Open a doc

duplicate

close the original if you want.

the changes made on the duplicate will not apply to the original

If you want to save them in the new file you may do

If you want to save them in the original you may do too.

But it seems that it's too simple for some minds here.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 30 octobre 2011 10:22:12

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 4 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.2

My iDisk is : <http://public.me.com/koenigyvan>

Please : Search for questions similar to your own before submitting them to the community

Oh my lord, and you can't read, either!

close the original if you want.

• Go back to the original open document

• Use the top menu to revert to its original state if you've made changes

• Close the original

the changes made on the duplicate will not apply to the original

Well, DUH!!! Of course not once you're working on the duplicate. Which would be the same as working on what becomes the foreground document after a Save As.

Honestly, if you're going to debate a point, could you at least use facts and logic, instead of twisting other user's words into something they never said?