How to do a SAVE AS in Numbers in the new iworks version 2.1

I agree. There is also a complete overlooking of files that are read and transferred to other computer sites. Why the extra work?

I think I'll have to review my integration with Apple products. Back to NeoOffice.

I have the same problem. I have a table of stocks with weekly prices named "tracker35_july 24" (for example) which I used to simply Save As "tracker36_july31", keeping the old one as reference and updating the new one for the next week. Now I have to do the small but annoyong step of duplicating and renaming. There seems to be no way around the extra step.

My main comment, though, is in appreciation of Yvan, who I assume is actually an American guy having fun playing the role of a condescending, arrogant, intolerable European guy. Great character, but obviously just a gag because no one could be that OTT.

Matt Wesselhoff wrote:

My main comment, though, is in appreciation of Yvan, who I assume is actually an American guy having fun playing the role of a condescending, arrogant, intolerable European guy. Great character, but obviously just a gag because no one could be that OTT.

You are perfectly wrong.

I'm really a French citizen and what you may think of me is fully out of my concern.

You may disagree with that but I write what I want when I want.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 31 juillet 2011 12:27:45

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To be the AW6 successor, iWork MUST integrate a TRUE DB, not a list organizer !

FYI, I'm back to neoffice because of this change. I had hoped to work off my dropbox directly to ipad thru numbers. Now that option has distanced itself exactly because we have the same needs for rewriting and transferring files to other devices conveniently.

I think Apple tries to innovate but sometimes it misses the mark. I don't know who Yvan is but he owes me an apology.

I like your sense of humor anyways.

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I don't know who Yvan is but he owes me an apology.

Apology ? For what ?

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 31 juillet 2011 13:40:51

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To be the AW6 successor, iWork MUST integrate a TRUE DB, not a list organizer !

Well though I understand why and how this new save feature works I still don't like it. Why take such a simple command and make it difficult? When working in a template you can't overwrite the data and just save it. In my case I have a timesheet that I am using for my employees. I must save and close the template then re-open the template for the next employee. It will not allow you to save as right down the line.

Here we aren't Apple representatives, so we can't change the behavior of the app.

We just may try to explain you how this or that task may be achieved.

As far as I know, nobody forced you to buy and install Lion.

If it doesn't fit your needs, use an other one.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 1 août 2011 15:45:33

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To be the AW6 successor, iWork MUST integrate a TRUE DB, not a list organizer !

Yes Yvan nobody forced me to buy Lion. I guess I don't have the time to discover all that it has to offer before buying I just bought because I like Apple products and trusted their engineering. I didn't know before the purchase they would be getting rid of a simple command. Excuse me for bothering you with my dumb questions. Seems to me that their are a lot of people not too happy with a few of the new ideas. I on the other hand do not have the time to sit at my computer and figure out all the new gadgets. I run a very sucessful construction company and my main goal is to build buildings. I have an iphone, ipad, ipod, imac, and macbook pro because they make my work easier. As for the "behavior of the app" right now I think it *****. First time I ever said that about an Apple product.

I can't understand how somebody using a mac for professional tasks may buy/install a new operating system without waiting for feedback from other users.

Many mac users aren't relying upon the machine's behavior so they would report what seems odd to them.

I worked as a potter for more than 30 years. I always waited about one month before installing a new OS on my main machine.

Everybody may make wrong choices, even Apple.

I don't know if the OS designers had the choice between the new scheme which we are discussing and the old fashioned "Save As…".

At first thought, I see no reason for the choice which was made but I am not a member of the design team.

Always at first thought, I assume that an alternative scheme was available :

keep the "Save" menu item, possibly renaming it "Save a Version" according to the context.

keep the "Save As…" menu item so that it combine the "Duplicate" task and the "Save" one.

Not only it would require less human action but it would be safer as the new document would always be saved once just after the duplication.

The only true requirement is that if we want to be able to "Save As" without storing changes in the original document, the old behaviour can't be maintained.

Don't forget that the missing of an autosave feature was criticized very often in these forums.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 1 août 2011 23:02:54

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To be the AW6 successor, iWork MUST integrate a TRUE DB, not a list organizer !

i agree that this is a terrible remedy for people forgetting to save. i have tried saving two versions of the same document, but as different names. somehow, through using the duplicate feature, i have ended up with 5 different duplicates. please give me my SAVE AS back ASAP. if its not broke... then dont fix it! id also like to have it in pages.

I'm really puzzled.

How were you able to create such a mess?

When we trigger duplicate, the app save nothing by itself and when a duplicate is saved once, the Save… menu item is no longer available.

So, the only explanation is that you triggered Duplicate five times.

One more meaningful exemple of the good old rule :

when something behave wrongly, check the interface between the chair and the keyboard 😉

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 15 décembre 2011 14:20:31

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I'd just like to say thanks for the help. I took my original document and renames it *.nmbtemplate and that works perfectly.

I think Most peoples problem is change. Yes I think it was a bad idea to remove the "save as" option, but I also think people need to think about thinks before the rant and rave to someone who has taken a lot of time to help as from what I can see they just basically renamed "Save As" to "Duplicate", as it basically does the same thing.

Thanks

Branden

Thank you !

I was wondering if at last somebody would understand that starting from templates is really easy and comfortable.

I wish to add that it apply to the three iWork applications.

For Keynote the name is azerty.kth

For Numbers it's azerty.nmbtemplate

For Pages it's azerty.template.

The scheme apply too for TextEdit and Preview.

In this case, don't rename the files, enter the infos window and check the Stationary checkbox.

There is a small drawback with these files : we have no easy mean to make the difference between a standard doc and a stationary one.

I try to apply a colored label but the documents created from this sources inherit of the label so it doesn't answer the problem.

This why I choose to add the character ™ at the end of the bare name.

On my machine, these stationaries are named filename™.rtf (or rtfd, txt, pdf, jpg, jpeg …)

I guess that it's a neat reminder for TeMplate.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 21 décembre 2011 16:04:31

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Ok, I get about 40 files from clients each day and need the ability to quickly look through them & make any necessary changes then just resave with a new file name. It's not a template because I will not be re-using the file many times over, however, I do wish to have the simple ability to quickly save the file with a new name rather than duplicating and then saving. In this instance I don't see any plausible solution from the options you have provided. I will not create a duplicate and bother with saving each time. Any suggestions - saving the file with the original name is not a preferred method.

You may wish what you want but this will not change the app design.

Duplicate your files from the Finder giving them the wanted new names.

Then open the new ones, edit them and close them.

The app will autosave them.

I wish to repeat that changing a document from standard one to template just require to rename it fromazert.numbers to azert.nmbtemplate.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 4 janvier 2012

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