Q: How to disable Versions completely

Philly_Phan wrote:

 

ChrisEsch wrote:

 

...they have also granted Apple the right to manage a user's work "for their own good." In a sense, the same way a Socialist government handles the rights of its citizens.

 

Unbelievable.  If you don't like the way that the product operates, vote with your wallet and buy another product.  Perhaps you are unaware but there is no law that requires you to use the Lion OS and, in fact, there is no law that requires you to use Apple products at all.

Uh...it's called "an analogy." As you appear to be "unaware" of the concept, I suggest you look it up. Perhaps you'll also find a definition of the phrase "in a sense" in the course of doing so.

Unbelievable.  If you don't like the way that the product operates, vote with your wallet and buy another product.  Perhaps you are unaware but there is no law that requires you to use the Lion OS and, in fact, there is no law that requires you to use Apple products at all.

Uh, dude? "If you don't like it, just go away" only works for new stuff. Auto-Save and Versioning are changes to a long-established workflow.

There are a number of programs I don't use because they have a workflow that doesn't work for me. I *have* voted with my dollars. The problem is, the agreement I have with iWork is broke by Mac OS X Lion.

And that's a big problem. When we have problems, as adults we work them out...communicate. We don't take our ball and stomp off the field.

DChord568 wrote:

 

Philly_Phan wrote:

 

ChrisEsch wrote:

 

...they have also granted Apple the right to manage a user's work "for their own good." In a sense, the same way a Socialist government handles the rights of its citizens.

 

Unbelievable.  If you don't like the way that the product operates, vote with your wallet and buy another product.  Perhaps you are unaware but there is no law that requires you to use the Lion OS and, in fact, there is no law that requires you to use Apple products at all.

Uh...it's called "an analogy." As the concept is apparently foreign to you, you could look it up.

Yes, it was an absolutely unbelievable ridiculous analogy.  Since you didn't understand the first time, I'll repeat:

If you don't like the way that the product operates, vote with your wallet and buy another product.  Perhaps you are unaware but there is no law that requires you to use the Lion OS and, in fact, there is no law that requires you to use Apple products at all.

ChrisEsch wrote:

 

Unbelievable.  If you don't like the way that the product operates, vote with your wallet and buy another product.  Perhaps you are unaware but there is no law that requires you to use the Lion OS and, in fact, there is no law that requires you to use Apple products at all.

 

Uh, dude? "If you don't like it, just go away" only works for new stuff. Auto-Save and Versioning are changes to a long-established workflow.

 

There are a number of programs I don't use because they have a workflow that doesn't work for me. I *have* voted with my dollars. The problem is, the agreement I have with iWork is broke by Mac OS X Lion.

 

And that's a big problem. When we have problems, as adults we work them out...communicate. We don't take our ball and stomp off the field.

You are not required to use Lion.

Philly_Phan wrote:

 

DChord568 wrote:

 

Philly_Phan wrote:

 

ChrisEsch wrote:

 

...they have also granted Apple the right to manage a user's work "for their own good." In a sense, the same way a Socialist government handles the rights of its citizens.

 

Unbelievable.  If you don't like the way that the product operates, vote with your wallet and buy another product.  Perhaps you are unaware but there is no law that requires you to use the Lion OS and, in fact, there is no law that requires you to use Apple products at all.

Uh...it's called "an analogy." As the concept is apparently foreign to you, you could look it up.

Yes, it was an absolutely unbelievable ridiculous analogy.  Since you didn't understand the first time, I'll repeat:

 

If you don't like the way that the product operates, vote with your wallet and buy another product.  Perhaps you are unaware but there is no law that requires you to use the Lion OS and, in fact, there is no law that requires you to use Apple products at all.

Your "absolutely unbelievable ridiculous" assessment is your own. I found the analogy rather apt for illustrative purposes.

Meanwhile, a non-answer doesn't become any more credible through simple repetition. Nice try, though.

There hasn't been any debate in this thread for s long time. It has devolved into petty, personal attacks. That is fine with me because such arguments speak volumes about the character and logic of the person making them.

Apple has always had control of how your files are saved. That is how an operating system works. If you don't like it, install Linux and change the operating system yourself.

If you want to know what Apple's philosophy is, I suggest reading the Steve Jobs biography. That might prove enlightening. It explains how Apple isn't interested in just making money. Apple wants to make great products and change the world. You can't change the world by doing things the same way you have always done. The pace of this change may be too much for some people. If you can't handle it, you are free to retreat into the past, use old computers, old software, and old ways of thinking.

Thank you, softwater! Your first three sentences give me so much more info than I had before.

Thank you!

etresoft wrote:

 

 

Apple has always had control of how your files are saved. That is how an operating system works. If you don't like it, install Linux and change the operating system yourself.

 

 

No..."how" since Lion means 'When' and 'Where'. That's ALWAYS been under user control...until Lion.

etresoft wrote:

 

There hasn't been any debate in this thread for s long time. It has devolved into petty, personal attacks. That is fine with me because such arguments speak volumes about the character and logic of the person making them.

Speaking strictly for me, I regret if my passion over this issue has caused me to step over the line at times in how I've expressed myself. That's a problem of mine that I often need to work on, and I apologize for failing to do so at times.

However, it is quite possible to evaluate the logic of my thoughts on the subject of this thread independently. If my mode of expression gets in the way of this process, then I again offer my regrets.

But the issues I have raised remain. It's yours and everyone else's decision as to whether you'll deal with them, or just walk away and leave them unanswered.

Oh, don't worry. When you've been around these forums for a while, you'll see how very ironic that comment is coming from etresoft, of all people...

For what it's worth, folks, I submitted the suggestion to have Auto-Save and Versions be a user-controllable preference to Apple at the Keynote feedback link.

     http://www.apple.com/feedback/keynote.html

You can, as stated here before, give your feedback on Lion in general at:

     http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

No barricades required. Just let them know your thoughts.

Very ironic indeed....heh heh.

Anyway, I've discovered that the Snow Leopard version of TextEdit runs perfectly well in Lion. However, I could not find any information on what I really wanted: there seems no way to regress Preview. The older version simply crashes on launch, with a complaint about a missing library:

Library not loaded: /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/MeshKit.framework/Versions/A/MeshKit

Pages '09 has the same version number in Snow Leo and Lion, but evidently something in the system files got changed so that in Lion it uses auto-save and versions, in Snow Leo the same program doesn't. Ah well.

I've tried using Xee as the default for opening image files, but it is actually pretty dang useless compared to the old Preview, and PS Elements is over-kill and takes forever to launch. {mutter mutter mutter}

Francine

I've tried using Xee as the default for opening image files, but it is actually pretty dang useless compared to the old Preview, and PS Elements is over-kill and takes forever to launch. {mutter mutter mutter}

I use Graphic Converter mostly (and, although I paid for the latest version - 7.1, I don't like it and usually use the previous version 6.7.1); in any case, no auto save or versions there and it has both 'save as' and 'save a copy as' - handy features if working/editing/resizing images.

You can package up the required dynamic libraries into a new application bundle and run Snow Leopard Preview in Lion. I did that while I was first running Lion because I didn't like the replacement of Save As with Duplicate. Then, someone made logical and respectful arguments that showed I was wrong.

So, rather than rudely tell you how to do that, I suggest you take the same advice I did and consider the entire document architecture in Lion and how Autosave, Versions, Duplicate, and Time Machine all work together. It is a revolution in how people interact with their data. Revolutions are disruptive. Everyone knows Apple is a revolutionary, disruptive company. If Apple did what their customers asked, they would still be making Apple IIs. At least, they would have still been making them before they went bankrupt in 1991. If you want to be an Apple customer, you have to be brave, revolutionary, and disruptive yourself. PCs are on sale right now at BestBuy and WalMart. They have great performance and low prices. Best of all, they won't ever make you learn anything new.

You really can't help yourself, can you?

Francine