Q: How to disable Versions completely

I've been trying to help people in this thread since it began. In fact, you were the one I tried to help originally. That was over three months ago. Now you chime in again with more insults. Who does that help?

ChrisEsch wrote:

 

Unbelievable.  If you don't like the way that the product operates, vote with your wallet and buy another product.  Perhaps you are unaware but there is no law that requires you to use the Lion OS and, in fact, there is no law that requires you to use Apple products at all.

 

Uh, dude? "If you don't like it, just go away" only works for new stuff. Auto-Save and Versioning are changes to a long-established workflow.

 

There are a number of programs I don't use because they have a workflow that doesn't work for me. I *have* voted with my dollars. The problem is, the agreement I have with iWork is broke by Mac OS X Lion.

 

And that's a big problem. When we have problems, as adults we work them out...communicate. We don't take our ball and stomp off the field.

Uh, dude?  Lion is new.  Be reminded that there is no law that requires you to use Lion.  Work your problems out by reloading Snow Leopard.

Philly_Phan wrote:

Uh, dude?  Lion is new.  Be reminded that there is no law that requires you to use Lion.  Work your problems out by reloading Snow Leopard.

Combining this with etresoft's earlier talk of "revolution"...

No doubt Coca Cola executives thought New Coke was a "revolutionary" product too. But I can guarantee you that they were, in the end, very glad that their patrons didn't just simply clam up and not say a word (as you would have disaffected Mac users do), voting strictly with their wallets by not buying New Coke.

Instead, these patrons expressed their dissatisfaction very quickly and very loudly, and this resulted in Classic Coke making a much quicker reappearance in the marketplace than it would have had Coke executives waited for diminishing sales returns to slowly make themselves felt.

I'm not making a direct comparsion between the merits of New Coke and Lion; I'm simply talking about the process involved when it comes to consumer reaction to any new product.

I find it so amusing that, if this were any other walk of life, you and others here would be screaming bloody murder if a product you used and depended upon every day were suddenly changed in such a way that made it, on balance, less usable than before.

But because you happen to be happy with Lion's changes, therefore everyone should be happy, and should just shut up and abandon the Mac platform if they're not.

ChrisEsch has it exactly right in the last paragraph of his post. The "just walk away" approach you and others espouse is facile, and exactly wrong.

You don't seem to understand.  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WAS CHANGED.  Snow Leopard still works the same way that it always did.  If you prefer tha characteristics of SL, then you should be using SL.

DChord568 wrote:

 

But because you happen to be happy with Lion's changes, therefore everyone should be happy, and should just shut up and abandon the Mac platform if they're not.

 

No, as suggested a million times, complain to Apple not other users here. We can't change things.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

And the thread is doing nothin for anyone anymore, just a **** fight with no resolution pending. Yeah, I like Versions and Auto Save, many don't. So you can give negative feedback to Apple while I give positive feedback, and drink an original Coke, lol.

Cheer up and use the right channels for these issues.

Happy Days

Philly_Phan wrote:

 

You don't seem to understand.  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WAS CHANGED.  Snow Leopard still works the same way that it always did.  If you prefer tha characteristics of SL, then you should be using SL.

Exactly what I am doing in my work environment. I will guarantee you that no Mac will be upgraded here, nor no new Mac purchased, until choice is returned to users in Lion. If I, as an experienced, fairly capable Mac user, can't abide by the changes, that pales next to the howls of outrage that would be heard from my less-experienced colleagues.

At home, I had no choice. I had to replace an aging, underpowered Mac — and therefore, my new Mac came with Lion, the only OS that will work on it.

In any case, I'm sure you "understand" (but choose not to acknowledge) that your answer is still ultimately a non-answer — as eventually nearly all Mac users will have to replace their Macs, and eventually all previous operating systems reach a point of obscelescence. Yes, some Mac users can choose to stay with Snow Leopard for now...but this is not a permanent solution, and you know it isn't.

Neil from Oz wrote:

 

DChord568 wrote:

 

But because you happen to be happy with Lion's changes, therefore everyone should be happy, and should just shut up and abandon the Mac platform if they're not.

 

No, as suggested a million times, complain to Apple not other users here. We can't change things.

 

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

 

And the thread is doing nothin for anyone anymore, just a **** fight with no resolution pending. Yeah, I like Versions and Auto Save, many don't. So you can give negative feedback to Apple while I give positive feedback, and drink an original Coke, lol.

 

Cheer up and use the right channels for these issues.

 

Happy Days

My...the temptation to yawn is overwhelming.

As I've pointed out before, I feel fairly safe in saying that, to a person, everyone who is complaining here has also submitted feedback to Apple at the above address.

Now that we have, we continue to express our frustration, as people in like communities have done since time immemorial. In times past, it was over the back fence. Now it happens to take place here.

If you don't care to be exposed to this, perhaps you should just "walk away."

DChord568 wrote:

 

At home, I had no choice. I had to replace an aging, underpowered Mac — and therefore, my new Mac came with Lion, the only OS that will work on it.

 

In any case, I'm sure you "understand" (but choose not to acknowledge) that your answer is still ultimately a non-answer — as eventually nearly all Mac users will have to replace their Macs, and eventually all previous operating systems reach a point of obscelescence. Yes, some Mac users can choose to stay with Snow Leopard for now...but this is not a permanent solution, and you know it isn't.

And this is a revelation that just occured to you in this rapidly changing age of technology? Yes this is how things are going, so be there or be square. Why keep OS's going if no developers are making software for them and the new hardware and design improvements are unique to a new platform? Lion is fine, some just can't handle change, or are not even willing to try. It's been going on after every OS release, and here we go with the same old comments again.

Cheers

Neil from Oz wrote:

 

DChord568 wrote:

 

At home, I had no choice. I had to replace an aging, underpowered Mac — and therefore, my new Mac came with Lion, the only OS that will work on it.

 

In any case, I'm sure you "understand" (but choose not to acknowledge) that your answer is still ultimately a non-answer — as eventually nearly all Mac users will have to replace their Macs, and eventually all previous operating systems reach a point of obscelescence. Yes, some Mac users can choose to stay with Snow Leopard for now...but this is not a permanent solution, and you know it isn't.

And this is a revelation that just occured to you in this rapidly changing age of technology?

Not a revelation to me, but a fact of life the poster I was replying to chose to sweep under the rug.

Yes this is how things are going, so be there or be square. Why keep OS's going if no developers are making software for them and the new hardware and design improvements are unique to a new platform? Lion is fine, some just can't handle change, or are not even willing to try. It's been going on after every OS release, and here we go with the same old comments again.

What do you know, yet another facile answer.

I challenge you, as I have others, to name a fundamental change in the way Macs are used on a daily basis that is more profound that the change in the saving paradigm between Lion and all operating systems that preceded it.

Point to another change in the history of the platform that has, under certain circumstances, made working on a Mac more difficult rather than easier.

(Save your breath about the elimination of the floppy drive. In reasonably short order, the floppy was replaced by a technology [flash drives] that did the same thing several orders of magnitude better.)

I acknowledge that many think it's great, but for others, the price exacted for Auto Save/Versioning in concurrent loss of functionality in other areas is more than they want to pay. For these responsible Mac users, Auto Save "fixed" a problem that was non-existent for them.

By the way, these users were perfectly willing to "try" the new way — and after they did, they found it lacking. They've been very specific as to why. And as usual, those who haven't had occasion to experience their particular problems dismiss them with the "can't handle change" arguments.

DChord568 wrote:

 

Point to another change in the history of the platform that has, under certain circumstances, made working on a Mac more difficult rather than easier.

I'm not aware of ANY change in the history of the platform that has made working on the Mac more difficult rather than easier.  THIS INCLUDES LION.

Philly_Phan wrote:

 

DChord568 wrote:

 

Point to another change in the history of the platform that has, under certain circumstances, made working on a Mac more difficult rather than easier.

I'm not aware of ANY change in the history of the platform that has made working on the Mac more difficult rather than easier.  THIS INCLUDES LION.

As I noted, problems that you personally have never experienced apparently don't exist, or are figments of others' imaginations.

Interesting...

There hasn't been any debate in this thread for s long time. It has devolved into petty, personal attacks. That is fine with me because such arguments speak volumes about the character and logic of the person making them.

Well I posted a relatively long, well-argued (IMHO) and balanced (also IMHO) reply about your comparison between Versions and Office autosave which you completely ignored. Silence speaks just as loudly as a petty attack. I have one other post to reply to here and then I am done. I have decided to revert to Snow Leopard and will reconsider Lion if and when versions and autosave become user choices.

Well...

This is from a (random) finder window on 10.7.2 on my iMac:

I stand corrected and thank you very much. The information is in the status bar which was hidden by default; I was looking in finder preferences for a option which wasn't there and isn't turned on by default.

Francine Schwieder wrote:

 

Anyway, I've discovered that the Snow Leopard version of TextEdit runs perfectly well in Lion.

Thanks for that. It works for me too. I now have Save As ... back. Realy pleased.

Francine Schwieder wrote:

 

I've tried using Xee as the default for opening image files, but it is actually pretty dang useless compared to the old Preview, and PS Elements is over-kill and takes forever to launch. {mutter mutter mutter}

 

Francine - try Graphic Converter. It's worth the money and the small company that sells it was perfectly able to incorporate Autosave and Versions, but have them turned OFF by default unless the user (you) decides to turn them on.

It fires up in less than 2 seconds. And does lots of things to image files, if you want/need to do them. It's somewhere between Photoshop Elements and Preview.