Q: How to disable Versions completely

SteveKir wrote:

 

I have heard a cheep that the next update to MS Office 2011 will/might have Versions. I for one won't be in a hurry to upgrade.

Nor I. Unless it's optional. Will M$ have more sense than Apple?

etresoft wrote:

 

..... get users of older software to break out of their habits

What you call "habits" are in fact working routines that have been perfected over many years and are successful.

There's always room for improvement in anyone's work routines but the word "habits" suggests there's something bad about having perfected routines that work and are important for running a business. Such as knowing how to save a file, rename a file, save it to a different location, copy it, etc. I've known how to do that for years, on the fly, without missing a beat in my workflow.

With Lion, however, that has all been thrown out the window so for now, and possibly forever, Lion is a no-go area for me other than as something I experiment with and am tracking to see if common sense ever comes back to Apple.

etresoft wrote:

 

softwater wrote:

 

Great social service you provide their etresoft; funny thing was, we were all thinking that keeping you occupied here would do exactly the same thing.

You can always click on someone's account name and see their posting history. That is an easy way to see who is just here to rant.

Post that has absolutely nothing of substance other than "Yeah, right on, I agree with you!" = A great post

Post that disagrees with your point of view and raises specific, substantive issues you're unable to deal with = Rant

DChord568 wrote:

 

Post that has absolutely nothing of substance other than "Yeah, right on, I agree with you!" = A great post

 

Post that disagrees with your point of view and raises specific, substantive issues you're unable to deal with = Rant

I think you've got those backwards

One too many useless posts for me. Take care folks, see you all elsewhere.

softwater wrote:

 

One too many useless posts for me. Take care folks, see you all elsewhere.

 

 

 

That was itself a useless post. Folks, if you're not interested in a thread, just leave quietly. You don't need to say you're leaving.

A good discussion is like sitting on a barstool in a pub with your mates. A bad discussion is like sitting in creaky folding chairs in a basement with a bunch of self-aggrandizing recovering alcoholics.

Cheers.

ChrisEsch wrote:

 

A good discussion is like sitting on a barstool in a pub with your mates. A bad discussion is like sitting in creaky folding chairs in a basement with a bunch of self-aggrandizing recovering alcoholics.

 

Cheers.

That contributed nothing. What have you got to say about the topic: "disabling Versions completely" ?

Nobody needs your approval or advice on what to post. If you don't like a post, report it and let the moderators do their job.

You're only adding to the problem you're complaining about.

Hate to have you 3 working for me. No work would ever get done, too bust slinging off at each other on your personal Apple Facebook!

You are never going to agree. Versions is here to stay, be it in what format in the future, no one knows, and you can moan and argue all you like, but your only friend is

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

At least I retired early and spend time travelling so I have time up my sleeve to read the non productive posts you put up. Good skit for a comedy show really. lol

Cheers

Tom in London wrote:

 

softwater wrote:

 

One too many useless posts for me. Take care folks, see you all elsewhere.

 

 

 

That was itself a useless post.

Hey, thanks for duplicating it in your response (to the useless post).

I haven't yet read the thousand entries already posted, but for those who actually like Lion but hate Auto Save and Versions, I have a few suggestions:

1) As I understand it, it's impossible to disable or work around Auto Save and Versions without too much hassle, so forget it.

2) To quit a document without saving, undo everything before quitting the document. BE VERY CAREFUL BEFORE QUITTING A DOCUMENT! Don't do Command + Q before carefully closing all windows. What if you WANTED to save at some stage and don't want to undo that stage? In that case, undo until you come back to that stage, then close the document.

3) There is no Save As anymore, and the Duplicate option is mega-confusing, so forget it. If you want to Save As but you want to keep the old version as a separate document, press Command+S in the document, then copy and paste the document in Finder, change the name of the pasted document to whatever you wanted to save it as, undo everything in the open document back to the stage where you want to leave it, then close it, then open the new document with the new name.

4) If you want to change the document's name (which was so easy in the past), change it in Finder, than select Save a Version in the document. A dialogue box appears with a Save As option. (So there is Save As after all.) Find the document with the new name and double-click it. Select Replace in the dialogue box that appears.

I'm aware that all this is ULTRA-RIDICULOUS, but there is no other way until Apple corrects this travesty.

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disinto wrote:

 

1) As I understand it, it's impossible to disable or work around Auto Save and Versions without too much hassle, so forget it.

Correct.

2) To quit a document without saving, undo everything before quitting the document. BE VERY CAREFUL BEFORE QUITTING A DOCUMENT! Don't do Command + Q before carefully closing all windows. What if you WANTED to save at some stage and don't want to undo that stage? In that case, undo until you come back to that stage, then close the document.

It is correct to use Undo to reverse changes. There is also a "Revert Document" command to revert to a previous version.

It is important not to confusing quitting an application with closing a document. They are distinct operations. Quitting an application is now entirely optional. The only impact that quitting has is that you will lose the Undo stack. Closing a document is the important command. This is where you will likely get a new version created. This is where you will be forced to give a document a name. This is where your versions will be discarded if you are saving to a volume that doesn't support versions.

3) There is no Save As anymore, and the Duplicate option is mega-confusing, so forget it. If you want to Save As but you want to keep the old version as a separate document, press Command+S in the document, then copy and paste the document in Finder, change the name of the pasted document to whatever you wanted to save it as, undo everything in the open document back to the stage where you want to leave it, then close it, then open the new document with the new name.

There shouldn't be anything confusing about Duplicate. It creates a new document with the content of the current document.

4) If you want to change the document's name (which was so easy in the past), change it in Finder, than select Save a Version in the document. A dialogue box appears with a Save As option. (So there is Save As after all.) Find the document with the new name and double-click it. Select Replace in the dialogue box that appears.

It sure seems like Duplicate > Save is much easier than that.

I'm aware that all this is ULTRA-RIDICULOUS, but there is no other way until Apple corrects this travesty.

That isn't going to happen. Those who are uncomfortable with the future are welcome to continue using old machine and old operating systems. There is nothing wrong with that. Just stop complaining about the rest of us wanting to try doing things in new ways.

etresoft wrote:

I'm aware that all this is ULTRA-RIDICULOUS, but there is no other way until Apple corrects this travesty.

 

That isn't going to happen. Those who are uncomfortable with the future are welcome to continue using old machine and old operating systems. There is nothing wrong with that. Just stop complaining about the rest of us wanting to try doing things in new ways.

 

So:

"…complaining about the rest of us wanting to try doing things in new ways" = BAD

But:

"…complaining about the rest of US who have found that the old ways (established over 28 years of continuous usage) allow us to be more productive" = GOOD

In other words, "newness" is somehow self-justifying?

Most reasonable commentators on this issue have said simply that a CHOICE of saving schemes should be offered — one that would make ALL users of the Mac OS happy.

I have asked repeatedly for anyone to advance a logical reason why this is a bad idea. It is at this point that those who smugly put down others who prefer the old saving paradigm as being "uncomfortable with the future" suddenly fall silent.

DChord568 wrote:

 

"…complaining about the rest of US who have found that the old ways (established over 28 years of continuous usage) allow us to be more productive" = GOOD

 

 

In other words, "newness" is somehow self-justifying?

 

Most reasonable commentators on this issue have said simply that a CHOICE of saving schemes should be offered — one that would make ALL users of the Mac OS happy.

You have a choice. You can choose to not upgrade your system. You can choose to not spend $2000 for a new system. Neither choice will harm you or your productivity in any way. If it worked so well for 28 years, why do you insist on changing it?

I have asked repeatedly for anyone to advance a logical reason why this is a bad idea. It is at this point that those who smugly put down others who prefer the old saving paradigm as being "uncomfortable with the future" suddenly fall silent.

Nonsense. Myself and others have repeatly given you and the other ranters a long list of logical reasons. Yet you persist in demanding that Apple roll back upgrades and new features.

If every part of the system was configurable and optional, development would be a nightmare. Luckly, that wouldn't be much of an issue because we would all still be running the same software from 1984. Sure, there would be options to support such new features as HFS, Multifinder, PowerPC, Intel, USB, AppleTalk, and dial-up modems. No developers would have ever supported any of that because their users would have risen en mass to demand the return of their workflows and floppy disks.

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