How do I uninstall Lion

An average person using a computer is how the industry stays in business. The arrogance shown by some computer professionals eclipses the fact that they were once "average people", in that regard. Apple has an incredible penchant for making someone want something they do not need. The same goes for the latest version of Mac OS. Some folks just gobble it up without a second thought, some might ask a friend who may know better, and just some don't care. Either way, everyone learns not to play with fire after getting burned. Do they blame the fire for getting burned? Most rational people would not, but some would. An unpleasant experience from a rash OS upgrade will make people less-average when it comes to their computer. Experience is what will educate folks about the products they rely on every day. If they can't take responsibility for their actions then there is no technical solution to a personal problem.

I don't understand how some of you can say "works just fine for me so far..."

Although I'm on a brand new (3 months) 15" MBP with i7 and 4 gigs of RAM, it is constantly slow.

I work in design, and my annoyance isn't even with Adobe's bugs, it's with the ridiculous slowdown even the slightest process causes in comparison to SL. I have never seen so many beachballs in the entire 4 years I've been using Mac now.

And before I get shouted at for using Adobe as an example, it's not just Adobe, it's every single time the RAM get's put to work for 50%.

I'm reverting to SL tonight. Advice to anyone who cares: Don't get Lion yet, wait as long as possible.

I have to agree, on a 2011 iMac with full specs, it crawled more like a timid snail than a fierce lion. I did try to get used to it, but as I use my mac in a high-pressure production environment (read: work) and it just couldn't keep up with me, I had to go back to Snow Leopard after a few weeks. Was strange seeing a brand new iMac being beaten by a PC that's a few years old running Windows XP!

One thing, I actually grew used to the 'natural' scrolling and missed it, but there's a free little app for Snow Leopard called Scroll Reverser, guess what it does... Haha, brilliant.

john strass wrote:

I'm pretty upset with apple for the first time in my 25 years of using macs. My Macbook air late 2008 (2gig ram, 128 gig flash drive)is now so darn slow that it is nearly unusable now that i've loaded Lion.

I want to go back to the 10.6 I had yeaterday. Are you serious that I need to partition/erase etc???

Isnt there an easier way to just go back to yesterday?

Yes, you can restore your backup.

I rely on my Macs to make money, they are not toys or hobbies rather tools to create. I am in agreement with John Strauss, I am very upset with Apple for the time wasted in trying to fix all Lion's "candy-like" behaviors. Frankly, if I wanted an iPad I would have bought the worthless thing but I want an OS that is clean, functional and fast. These garbage little toys like mission control and lanuchpad are nothing more than a ploy to sell another un-needed OS. All of this is fine if Apple would make it easy to erase the crap and go back to Snow Leopard. But they don't.

Tuesday I will be giving Apple a call to have them ship System restore discs for my new machine, if they cannot it will be going back for a refund and I will head to eBay for a used Mac with Snow Leopard.

Give my attitude a little "room" as I am pretty smoked with the chains Apple is trying to bind our hands with... First it's that pile of dung FCPX and now Lion. I hope Tim Cook wakes up and realizes that indeed you have to take care of consumers but one must also take good care of Pro's... this past year Apple is more interested in toys like iPhones iPods, iPads, APP Store (overall devices for the wasting of one's life).

But I am sure this will pass with some type of solution, problems always have a way of working out. That's my positive side coming out.

EBay, now there's reliable

Thomas A Reed wrote:

Lion works just fine for me so far. If you are having problems because some of your software is not compatible, that is your fault for jumping off a cliff without looking to see how deep the water below is. You should have researched it before upgrading. When your business relies on your computer, it is your responsibility to research every change you make to ensure that those changes are not going to interfere with your ability to get work done. You should not be installing a major system upgrade that is only days old.

Ultimately, you made a mistake, and now you expect Apple to bail you out.

partly true and partly wise, but unfortunately so.

Apple was reknown for its backwards compatibility and sustaining technology. Yes they did let part of that go in the transition from os 9 to os 10 (and ppc), but it has grown into unmanageble proportions now.

The need to research prior to an install in this proportion is 'windows-talk'. ... unfortunately you ARE right.

Shame on Apple

(a longstanding Apple user).

jakekub wrote:

I rely on my Macs to make money, they are not toys or hobbies rather tools to create. I am in agreement with John Strauss, I am very upset with Apple for the time wasted in trying to fix all Lion's "candy-like" behaviors. Frankly, if I wanted an iPad I would have bought the worthless thing but I want an OS that is clean, functional and fast. These garbage little toys like mission control and lanuchpad are nothing more than a ploy to sell another un-needed OS. All of this is fine if Apple would make it easy to erase the crap and go back to Snow Leopard. But they don't.

Tuesday I will be giving Apple a call to have them ship System restore discs for my new machine, if they cannot it will be going back for a refund and I will head to eBay for a used Mac with Snow Leopard.

Give my attitude a little "room" as I am pretty smoked with the chains Apple is trying to bind our hands with... First it's that pile of dung FCPX and now Lion. I hope Tim Cook wakes up and realizes that indeed you have to take care of consumers but one must also take good care of Pro's... this past year Apple is more interested in toys like iPhones iPods, iPads, APP Store (overall devices for the wasting of one's life).

But I am sure this will pass with some type of solution, problems always have a way of working out. That's my positive side coming out.

I take it you don't have a backup to restore then.

Hmm, Macs are toys. I love my toy but am getting tired of Apple's arrogance. For Business I will always use Windows (7). This is by far the best operating system ever released by any vendor. I am sure you can find an app that does what you do on OS/X in windows. I do understand the challenge of legacy files, processes and learning new applicaiton workflows however. There must be a time when you will say enough is enough and look forward rather than being locked to the past.

sfoster_au wrote:

Hmm, Macs are toys. I love my toy but am getting tired of Apple's arrogance. For Business I will always use Windows (7). This is by far the best operating system ever released by any vendor. I am sure you can find an app that does what you do on OS/X in windows. I do understand the challenge of legacy files, processes and learning new applicaiton workflows however. There must be a time when you will say enough is enough and look forward rather than being locked to the past.

If it's just a toy operating without a backup is OK

Geestig said... "I work in design, and my annoyance isn't even with Adobe's bugs, it's with the ridiculous slowdown even the slightest process causes in comparison to SL. I have never seen so many beachballs in the entire 4 years I've been using Mac now."

And I'm probably going to get yelled at for sharing that I have an advertising/design/print production agency and Lion works for us without any problems at all. No slow downs, no crashes (well, it can freeze on one machine if I go to System Preferences) and all is happy and shiny in the Apple orchard pumping out work and making money.

Perhaps many of the issues some people experience with OS X Lion may be due to specific circumstances in their environment. That can happen with any operating system.

I don't think it's particularly helpful or fair to exclaim that Lion is generally "bad", we could say we have a particular problem under these conditions and has anyone experienced the same and found a fix.

We're all here to help and learn.

All Macs come with System Restore discs (unless, the Mac was purchased second-hand and the seller did not include those discs). If that was the case, Apple is not responsible for providing System Restore discs or anything else. Backup is also something Apple is not responsible for providing.

No backup and restore as this is a new Mac, my other Macs are all properly backed up.

And Jason this is the first of the new Macs WITHOUT physical System Restore Disks. That is the way of it. I have been Apple certified and in this IT game for 15 years so it is a shock. To the average person this is not an issue but for someone with a company relying on computing to pay the bills not having physical media is a difficulty. I have fast internet but having the OS in a physical presence is faster than a download. Plus I do like to "keep on my person" what I pay for, I'm funny like that.

And CSound, I have bought a TON of Mac gear on eBay and have yet to have an issue. There are many good deals with proper research so it is indeed reliable.

Look I am not trying to be overly negative, I did say that I was ticked ahead of time but I ended with a positive note. I don't want Apple to make the OS look like an iPad, leave that iOS for the mobile devices and keep a rock solid OS for computers so Pros can have something we can count on, like we have in the past many OS upgrades.

And I am certain that Lion issues will be fixed... things like No "Save As" in a few applications like Preview (insane) must be resolved.

Which new Mac is it? Even our new Air's come with a Lion USB key.

Wayne of America wrote:

And I'm probably going to get yelled at for sharing that I have an advertising/design/print production agency and Lion works for us without any problems at all.

I would never yell! 🙂

Wayne of America wrote:

..all is happy and shiny in the Apple orchard pumping out work and making money.

Perhaps many of the issues some people experience with OS X Lion may be due to specific circumstances in their environment. That can happen with any operating system.

I don't think it's particularly helpful or fair to exclaim that Lion is generally "bad", we could say we have a particular problem under these conditions and has anyone experienced the same and found a fix.

We're all here to help and learn.

Fair point. As a designer working in CS4, mainly using Photoshop, Indesign and Illustrator, this OS is bad. It is slower and less stable than Snow Leopard.

Discussing under which conditions certain problems occured, aka logging, takes a lot of time, time I rather spend on work. Reverting back to Snow Leopard, where things were a lot more stable, is the quickest solution.